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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon

  A good take in this video.

  That was brilliant. She's fantastic. I love the "Santa" bit, LOL
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  The problem he has is he's already admitted he can't control himself sexually, has shown a lack of respect for "girls" (they are simply something for him to use for his own gratification), and the same excuse he uses for his lack of control shows up in those chat messages.

  It's not a leap to think that this excuse is something he's found valuable, because he's used it before both to get away with things and to get what he wants.

  We already know he was in trouble for sex chats, again, from his own admission in his own book which I believe he said in his video was to pre-empt someone trying to expose it (but does he truly reveal all the details?), and that his wife found out about it. He himself repeatedly refers to them as "girls", so he can't complain if people interpret it exactly as written (and its repeated in his video). It's certainly possible that part of his wife finding out and reporting it was passing on the evidence, and / or also getting advice from someone, a close relative for example, which would explain how a copy came to be.

  I don't know whether those messages are legit or not, but I do know they appear to be from the time stated on them for technical reasons, they match his MO in terms of the excuse he likes to trot out and they align with the pieces of a story we've already been told (and I think, prior to him telling it, so they weren't based on that). They don't stand out as odd or a contradiction to anything, in fact they fill in and explain some things.

  For instance, we even have the "weird" situation where Mr Activist claims to have something on the WTS, but won't release it, and wouldn't record his own judicial committee, which makes it appear that what he has on them is something todo with himself. The 3rd party info about what happened in the congregations with elders stepping down and his father using his authority also makes this credible. Especially when you add the subsequent moving to Croatia, which he describes using the expression "we had to leave the UK" which again, is something the accusation of the messages explains, more pieces of a jigsaw fitting together perfectly.

  To me, it all seems credible, it matches what we know of him, the overall narrative of the story, and explains some of the missing pieces that would still need some other explanation.

  That doesn't mean it's true of course.

  If it isn't true, then there are major plot-gaps that would still need some other explanation.

  But as slimboyfat says, I doubt we'll ever get a truly satisfactory outcome unless he does a major come-to-jesus confession or a witness comes forward. His denials still leave gaps and as much as he thinks people treat him as public enemy number one, to many of us he's just an obnoxious jerk that we don't want anything more todo with ... I can't honestly see anyone going to such lengths to try to frame someone, or somehow know that they would subsequently act in a way that would make such stories (from way earlier) look so believable. So "smear campaign by haters" is simply far too convenient.
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  Adam & Eve: Perfect but not everlasting life?

  by pixel in

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  so i was watching annual meeting.

  towards the end of jackson’s talk, he says: .

  “perfection doesn’t automatically means someone will get everlasting life.

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  One minute, fruit is sacred and everything to the story, then a few pages later and people are being "smite'd" for only offering up fruit and veg instead of a dead animal carcass.

  What a book. It's up there with "twilight" in terms of quality.
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  Trial return to kingdom halls

  by road to nowhere in

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  there was a comment that in australia ( i think) the experiment ended with no apparent outcome.

  anyone know how this is working any where?

  there was also a mention of a hall being sold.

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  A good start

  You're no longer welcome to post here.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Screenshots from what program though? In 2008, I don’t know of any email program that looked like that threading style at all. Not outlook or Apple mail, and certainly not gmail.

  My understanding is that they are alleged to be from a chat-site, likely a web-based chat / forum type setup. So recognizing it maybe a challenge if it isn't a common package or has been customized. Kind of like someone trying to identify the email program used based on screenshots of this forum from 14 years ago ... good luck with that :)

  On the other hand, I also don't know of a single email faking website that has that look and feel either.

  This to me makes it look more legit. The fact that it isn't just a set of gmail messages. It looks like some lesser used system (which I'm sure someone might be able to identify if a sanitized copy of something was posted on an appropriate tech or internet history site). Also, the font and anti-aliasing looks old, and appropriate for the era which would actually be a challenge to fake nowadays and something I'm sure a faker would easily forget to do.

  And I don't think "they maybe faked it 14 years ago and only just released it now" is really plausible,
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Anyone watched The Goonies recently? Now all I can think of is "the truffle shuffle".

  Maybe he'll do a movie review of it soon ...
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  Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

  by Diogenesister in

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  as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

  you can read it here:.

  public statement of mark o’donnell.

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  Obviously it's worse if the Thai girls were 15 but to me it's still pretty bad even if they were 18.

  It utterly spins my head that people don't get why a young girl in a poverty stricken country, coerced, enslaved or otherwise, being bought by a 40+ yr old man from a wealthy nation that claims to represent rape victims, is beyond sic

  Exactly. I was thinking today about the trafficking stats someone posted earlier. I forget the exact numbers and which thread, but say it was something like 40%.

  That means if you go to a random prostitute once you have a 40% chance that you are raping a trafficked girl. Or to put it another way, a 60% chance that you are not.

  What if you go every 2 months for 4 years, i.e. 24 times? The chance of "missing" every time for those 24 visits is 0.60 x 0.60 x 0.60 ... 24 times, or 0.60 ^ 24 ... that comes out to 0.000004738381338, or 0.0004738381338%. Reversing it again, it's 99.9995261618662% probability that you raped a trafficked girl.

  Obviously, this is just if you chose completely at random, but I think it shows that while you might kid yourself that you haven't really committed a crime, the reality is that I don't believe people are really capable of knowing for sure and the probability that they have goes up pretty quickly, whatever the exact figures are you put in.

  The bottom line is, if you are a sex tourist going to areas where poverty and trafficking are a big problem then you shouldn't be surprised if some people think you are a low-life sleazy abusive piece of shit.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  That correct?

  No, I think he moved back to his dad's congregation from another in the UK so daddy could take care of his mess (sex chats with "girls"), then he left the UK subsequent to that (because Elder powers don't work on the muggles in law-enforcement)

  He was never Df'd for apostasy AFAIK, or else I would imagine he would have recorded it and made a big deal of it. So what he was Df'd for is probably something he doesn't want anyone to know about.

  Otherwise, what possible reason could there be for someone who makes a career and income from ranting about the sins of the WTS for keeping his damning knowledge / bargaining chip about them secret?

  One thought might be that whatever it was, it maybe involved him ... and "girls" again?

  BTW: I believe that "the girls that are definitely older than 20" were the Thai prostitutes, not necessarily other "girls".
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Yeah, but Lloyd is white.

  Yeah, LOL

  But it boils down to certain crimes being higher priority than others, and "how much work is this going to be vs chance of success" definitely playing a factor.

  Even with the most serious of crimes, the police aren't great, let's be honest. They are often outright useless even with glaringly obvious evidence.

  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59576717

  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/10/mets-failings-contributed-to-deaths-of-stephen-ports-victims-inquest-finds

  So do I think "evidence has been given to the police" will achieve much? I don't have much confidence, even if it was clear and obvious, they'd still find a way to screw it up.

  The police in real life are not at all like the police in detective shows.
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  Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

  you can read it here:.

  public statement of mark o’donnell.

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  We attended the 50th anniversary of a couple that have been friends of the family for years. (I even dated one of their daughters.) At the party we learned she was 65 years old and he was 75 years old. That means at the time of their marriage she was 15 and he was 25. I believe they were from Arkansas. (US readers will get that.)

  Did they meet in a car-park, in secret, while he was married to someone else with no intention of ever marrying her?

  Obviously not. So not the same thing at all.

  The full context matters. Intent and behavior matters.