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What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book
by TastingFreedom in
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what is brazen conduct according to the watchtower?.

here are some references from the new flock book:.

they have really pushed the envelope to bundle a bunch of things into one really evil word.
Simon

Note that quote:
"Willful, continued, unnecessary association with disfellowshipped, non-relatives ..."
That is the get out that no-one needs to shun their family. Anyone who does is following a rule that doesn't even exist.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

This has been one of the problems in the past when people complained about Lloyd. Some people (understandably)were perceived as being over the top and so it was easy for him to label them as 'crazy' or 'obsessed' etc. I really don't want that to happen again.
One of the "tricks" that certain types of narcissist use is to get people riled up and angry so they can point to it and say "see, they crazy!" ... that's why it's important to try to stay calm, objective, and state facts.
Know that when you do this, it drives them crazy. When someone does a rant video where they are visibly angry, however understandable it may be, it gives them what they want.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

Exactly, why do we care!
Maybe they are taking his money and don't want to do much, but if someone starts trashing them online perhaps they will be more inclined to put more effort in. Why encourage them?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

I think it's useful to put yourself in the shoes of a 3rd party observer and how things look.
It's tempting to keep escalating claims and negative comments, but if the aim is to best present a case, that isn't always the best strategy.
At some point, there's overreach, and that then is easy to pick up on. It's a technique Lloyd uses over and over, so don't give him the opportunity.
Not that you have to do anything I suggest of course, I'm just sharing my opinion in the hope of helping.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

I think it's more about the concept of "Lloyds litigation", not so much the law firm specifically.
Someone who hasn't had a response from them, or calls returned could be justified in leaving a review, although I don't know why anyone would ever complain about the quality or competence of the lawyers representing someone who is threatening to sue them.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

No, IMO there's a difference. They are a company providing a service, a review of them is only appropriate if you are their customer.
They have not woken up one day and decided to harass anyone. They are simply acting on the instructions of their client, and the fact that he may have "cheaped-out" and wanted the no-real-service option really isn't anything to complain about, certainly not to put on them.
Let's not make ourselves look like we're not fair and objective. That company are not our enemy. Why make them more inclined to want to put more effort into work for Lloyd?
Our criticism of Lloyd is different. No, most of us are not his customers, but his behavior has negatively impacted many. We're victims of his bullying, harassment and damaging influence on our community. So criticising that and warning people about what he does is entirely appropriate.
It's not like he offers activist-services-for-hire, such that anyone is ever really his client.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

Aw, look at him - so pleased with himself with his bomber jacket and chubby cheeks!
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

How many times has he reminded us that he's "seriously considering" leaving activism and how exJWs torment him?
I think that's just him fishing for praise, wanting people to say "oh no, please, we love you so much, here - I'll give you money to convince you to stay"
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

James Lloyd Evans was constantly having a dig at Mark O’Donnell as to who had the biggest JW collection of items.
Weird. Just weird.
I get having some books, as a reference, but the logo? So big? And framing things?
It's way too "worshippy" - I bet 99% of current JWs don't treat the literature with such reverence and don't have the JW.org logo displayed in their house at all.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
Simon

As a general rule I don't think you should be leaving reviews of any company you're not a customer of. It's a shitty thing to do IMO.
Let's not do silly things, it doesn't achieve anything and ends up being counter productive.