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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon

  Off topic comments, particularly those involving unnecessary and unwarranted foul language will be removed.
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  Am I at the right place?

  by AnotherJohn in

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  i’m still a good christian.

  i still believe the bible.. i don’t like the wt society, but some of the people, as individuals are good.

  there are many nasty jws also.. i have concerns about current events and how close the end actually is.

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  Also no or none? They found Jericho. They found Jashua’s canal and crypt in Egypt. What do you want them to find?

  These are not proof. Someone finds "something" and says "hey, this could be XYZ out of the bible!"

  That's not really proof of what they end up claiming. Found an old piece of wood? Noahs ark!!!

  Also, writers of fiction throughout history have always set stories in real-world settings with other real-world characters, but just because the setting exists doesn't make the story true.

  It's like an archeologist in the future finding modern day New York and deciding that Avengers End-Game must therefore have really happened.

  Personally, I think you're trolling or lack the ability to discuss things properly.
  
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  Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon

  by joey jojo in

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  at the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.

  it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.

  im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.

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  Problem is that the numbers of annointed keeps growing every year.

  The whole idea of the anointed class was invented long before todays "self-declare you are special" society where people just love to self-identify as something that has some desirable label attached, like "minority", "oppressed" or "ruler of the universe".

  So now the number will forever go up until they come up with some other belief. The obvious fix is to make the 144,000 into a figurative number, to remove the inconvenient math.

  Incidentally, more early Christians died than that and all were anointed because it was way before 1914. So apparently people were loyal to the point of death but they weren't "genuine"? The math never worked.
  
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  Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.

  it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.

  im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.

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  They will soon be dead, buried and just a footnote in their literature ... like all the other leaders and governing body members before them.

  They are just men. Clueless men. Pretending to be important.

  Their passing will be of no significance whatsoever other than acting as an opening to some other climber of that particular corporate ladder.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon

  I've 'starred' out the worst words so the original intent can still be read but it's not quite so in-your-face.

  I usually take the stance that the language has to match the occasion. Sometimes the exact same words may be removed on one topic and not in another, it comes down to whether they are warranted or not. In this case I can see people becoming angry and heated, so I tend to be more relaxed about things but appreciate when people can show a little more restraint.
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  Am I at the right place?

  by AnotherJohn in

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  2. beliefs

  i’m still a good christian.

  i still believe the bible.. i don’t like the wt society, but some of the people, as individuals are good.

  there are many nasty jws also.. i have concerns about current events and how close the end actually is.

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  Please don't state things as facts that simply cannot be proven. Any "prophesy" in the bible comes down to interpretation and, usually, hindsight ...
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Does he want to sue people who are not going to pay him regardless of the judgment or does he want that home on an island he told Andrew Gold he dreamt of getting? Can't have both.

  I think a win that doesn't give him any money is going to be a pyrrhic victory because not only would he be out of pocket, he'd also create a free-for-all for anyone wanting to talk about him. I don't think he's though through the implications of his escalation, I think he's become used to other people backing down because of his bullying behavior.

  If the intent is to prevent people talking about him, failure to successfully litigate will produce the exact opposite effect he claims to have wanted.

  He'll be the Barbara Streisand of "activists".

  Lloyd is notorious for creating an illusion that they are hurting for money and needing everything to be crowdfunded. On his last trip to Australia a collection was taken up amongst the locals that ended up covering his entire family's trip when you damn well know he could have afforded it.

  I can't imagine taking money of people, who may not be particularly wealthy and are there only because they have already been a victim of something, just to be able to live it large and go on vacation.

  Totally amoral IMO, which means he has a matching pair when it comes to not being moral (amoral + immoral)
  
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  Am I at the right place?

  by AnotherJohn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m still a good christian.

  i still believe the bible.. i don’t like the wt society, but some of the people, as individuals are good.

  there are many nasty jws also.. i have concerns about current events and how close the end actually is.

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  Simon

  A lot of these things were foretold and be pointed out in the Bible.

  ... Keep it truthful ...

  I don't think these things are compatible.

  And I believe the WT society has led the JWs off track ...

  My last communication with an overseer went badly and I don’t know what I said that made it political and then Apostate.

  I think these things are linked.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I think I posted a few pages back (or maybe it was in a private discussion with someone?) it appears that the law is on the books for use by politicians to prevent journalists reporting on them. Most of the very few times it's used are suspended sentences or fines, i.e. it's to get people to back off from their reporting. There's apparently a campaign to get it struck off for that reason, but that relies on ... the politicians who might use it.

  Now back in the real world, I see there is a WAG libel case going on in the UK right now. One case is going to cost someone $2m. The only way a lawyer is going to take that on is if:

  1. They know you are good for that kind of money if you lose
  2. They think you have a clear-cut case and the other person has that kind of money if you win
  3. They are a clueless schmuck who doesn't know what they are doing and you and them both lose
  4. They think you are a clueless schmuck and want to take whatever money you are willing to spend

  That's one case. You don't get to do libel as a two-fer, let alone a seven-fer. Each. Case.

  The idea that Lloyd is going to launch SEVEN expensive, multi-national cases is just so far past the point of stupid I wonder if even his dumbest patreons are still fooled by his pantomime performance. And yes, at this point, anyone still giving him money has to be friggin' dumb. My favourite question to ask JWs about the WTS also applies to patreons and Lloyd:

  What exactly would they need to do for you to NOT support them anymore? If nothing, if you'd support them no matter what they do, then you are just brainwashed.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon

  Back in the day, somewhere in between the duelling and the litigation it would "kick off" in a polite manner by someone forcibly stating:

  "I'll bid good day to you, Sir ... I said GOOD DAY TO YOU!!!"