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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon

  The title of his book is the giveaway of the reality: The Reluctant Apostate. He's not an "apostate" because he saw through and objected to anything, he's only an apostate because THEY got sick of HIM and kicked his fat lazy ass out so he couldn't keep taking advantage of the congregation for free labor (notice: he always has other people doing the actual work).

  He didn't "see the truth", he lost his privileged position because he was a sleazy grubby man taking advantage of it and finally even daddy couldn't bail him out any more. How many people did he judge all while he was breaking the rules? Does he write about those? No, it's all him, him, him.

  Next he'll be a reluctant ex-ex-JW, well, one can only hope ...
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon

  so what was the $20,000 “campaign” fund money even for?

  To make even more money!

  Think like Lloyd ... no shame, no morals, it's all a business and he wants to maximize his profits.

  If he can take money off people, he will, whether the project really requires it or not, and whether they have less them him or not. There's always vacations and other things he can spend it on.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  You really can judge a person by the kind of company they keep. People tend to attract and be attracted to those with similar values.

  If you look at your followers and supporters and see ugly attitudes, insults and outright rage, you should consider what kind of person you are attracting and why.

  Now you see why Lloyd still has supporters. They are the same kind of horrible amoral character he is. To them, he's a hero, living the dream, telling them that their way is the right way. That's something they'll give money to support.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon

  Good job on the wiki writeup Las Malvinas.

  Now go play with your kids and dog! :)
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  Rutherford's Coup

  by RolRod in

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  a new book on the events of the 1917 schism titled rutherford's coup is officially out on amazon.. authored by rud persson.

  description.

  raised a baptist, in 1906, joseph franklin rutherford, a provincial missouri attorney with a shrewd and scheming legal mind, became a baptized “bible student.” in 1907, rutherford became the legal counselor for the group's legally chartered corporation, the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

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  Simon

  That can be typical for things that have a very narrow niche appeal.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Here's the only other thing of interest that I've found. By Googling this address from Cedars' envelope...

  Something I find amazing. Say you're going to launch some super-important complex international libel case against multiple defendants. Do you:

  a) Research which law firm has the very specific expertise in that particular area of law necessary to handle this, together with a recognized history of successful cases ...
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  b) Go to the closest law-firm to you, ~20mins up the road, in a town of ~40k population?

  Just what are the chances that the closest lawyer to where you live also happens to be the best and most cost effective to handle seven cases of such complexity successfully?

  Incredible luck, eh?!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon

  He maybe kinda thought, 'if you leave the WT cult you can do anything you want - cheat on your wife with prostitutes, anything!'

  I think he's surrounded himself with lots of people who believe that. They seem to believe that to truly reject the WTS you have to reject all that the WTS ever say. Like-people are often attracted to each other.

  Sensible and mature people know that working on your marriage, being moral, being honest, not being abusive and similar things transcend any religious beliefs and edicts - they are simply good things to do if you are a good person.

  You don't have to live opposite-life to be an exJW. You don't have to become a drug-taking, cheating, abusive jerk to show how wrong the WTS was. Who says something is irrelevant to the value of what is said. Some of what the WTS teach when it comes to lifestyle is sensible and good. Just because they repeat it doesn't make it wrong. In fact, if you want to show how wrong they are, you should aim to become a better person than the JW version of you.

  But to be fair, from everything I've read about him it sounds like he didn't change when he left - he was already a wife-cheating sex pest while he was a JW and that's why they kicked him out.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Simon

  this thread has now become the most replied to post on JWN.

  Infamy: noun, the state of being well known for some bad quality or deed.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6BJJe9JV_A
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  Am I at the right place?

  by AnotherJohn in

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  i’m still a good christian.

  i still believe the bible.. i don’t like the wt society, but some of the people, as individuals are good.

  there are many nasty jws also.. i have concerns about current events and how close the end actually is.

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  Simon

  Point was, you couldn’t explain it.

  Couldn't explain what?

  Ancient Astronaut Theorists? Whatever they are - substance abuse or brain-damage.
  

  Nuclear Glass? Whatever that is, probably asteroid strikes.

  And of course you dismiss each little fact.

  No, I dismiss the conclusion you reach which the facts don't support. We've posted good examples, where a fact about something in a story happening to be true, isn't proof that the entire story itself or another part of it, is true.

  They add up though. If each little fact builds on another, then like any reasonable person, one can theorize about it being fact.

  If you have facts, you don't need to theorize. If you're theorizing, you're guessing / hoping / making shit up.

  You have already made your mind up what you want to believe, then you go scratching around for any little snippet that you can twist to support it. Stop pretending you are doing anything remotely scientific.

  You "believe". Bravo. Belief is the absence of both evidence and reason.
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  Share This?

  by blondie in

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  i notice now that ops have a "share this" in the upper right hand corner.

  i know how to do it on fb, how do we do it here?.

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  Simon

  It just creates a ready-made post with link on whatever service you click.

  It doesn't post anything, just makes sure the link is correct with the topic title (if the service supports it), so you can still edit it to add whatever you want to say.

  Meant as a convenient way to share a link ...