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They might have gotten feedback that recruitment is harder because of people reasoning that God is really an asshole if he's going to be killing a shit-ton of people who never had a chance to learn "the truth".
Religiots have no winning argument when it comes to addressing this issue.
People generally find psychopathic killers unappealing. It's an easier sell that he's a "loving god" (the fundamental cornerstone of the whole belief system) if he gives people a chance.
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Periodic reminder: not everyone who leaves the WTS does so for noble reasons. Many are kicked out because they don't adhere to the basic standards of behavior, as is the case of Lloyd. Some want to make a home for themselves as an apostate even though they didn't really leave for that reason, but it sounds more noble to claim to be some kind of freedom fighter than just another sexual pervert. So people need to be careful. In fact, some of those who are kicked out are precisely the type of grubby little men that first triggered others to question the claims that it was a "spirit directed" organization in the first place, and took part in the sort of behaviors that made them want to flee it.
happy new year!
time to give us your vote for lloyd's fall from grace this month.. december 6th he was at 406. as of today, january 3rd, he's at 388. that is exactly, on the dot, where he was january 3rd of last year!
he's lost all gains from his begging videos and reminders and tin cup waving and etc.. so, fire up the shrooms and let us know where you think flab boy will be on february 2nd.
I just had a funny thought ...
I bet statistically, Lloyds patreon page is one of the most visited as everyone checks on his count. So someone at Patreon is probably scratching their head thinking "I don't get it, this guy seems to be popular in one way, but then his subscribers are just haemorrhaging away!"
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You're a musician. You're campaigning for the rights of artists to be paid fairly for their work. You discover one of your fellow campaigners has bought a bag full of knock-off CDs from the local market. You think it's fine. You're an idiot.
or
You're a vegan. You're campaigning for animal rights and an end to the meat / factory farming industry. You discover one of your fellow campaigners has been gorging themselves at the cheap unlicensed burger van. You think it's fine. You're an idiot.
Any combination of someone supporting a worse, illegal / unregulated version of the very thing you claim to be an activist against, that you don't see any problem with, and you continue to support them, means you are a grade A fucking idiot of low moral character who lacks integrity and makes poor life choices.
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But how much DAMAGE has he done? At what point does the damage & abuse outweigh the good?
This seems to be the twisted logic that some try to use to excuse their support: "but he's done some good!"
Is that how it works? What exactly are the trades involved?
If you campaign enough for women's rights do you get a pass to rape someone?
What if you feed 1,000 orphans is it OK if you fiddle with some kids?
No - there is no amount of good that builds up any kind of "bank" to offset when you do harm to others.
After all, didn't Jimmy Saville do a lot for charity?
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Who is really more moral?
An atheist who does the right things, and treats other people well, because they inherently feel it's the right thing to do.
A religious person who fears retribution from some higher power or does it because the believe they'll receive some reward?
Lowest on the list is a religious person who doesn't even bother trying to be a good person, but takes advantage of others who are.
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Lloyds entire situation is a good example of what often happens when someone wakes up that JWs have got a lot wrong, perhaps almost everything wrong. Then what do you believe? If you believe evolution then some go off the rails like Lloyd did as there is no moral compass anymore and this just brings results that Lloyd has - suicidal extreme unhappiness having messed up everything and anyone in your life.
I disagree. His behavior is just who his is - he hasn't really changed from when he was in, he just stopped trying to follow *some* rules although he never really did, and had daddy to run cover for his indiscretions until they became too much to cover up.
I honestly don't believe people change - they are the same people when the leave as they are when they were in. Being an exJW doesn't make you a good person any more than being a JW did.
A lack of belief in god / a belief in evolution certainly doesn't mean you lack a moral compass. Lack of a moral compass is the thing in itself.
Yes that’s my point, leaving the JWs was his downfall with no moral compass anymore. He would have been better off staying JW lite for the stabilising influence
Being a JW didn't change who he was, he just hid who he really was. Now he isn't he puts little effort into hiding his true nature, and even seems to be proud of it - why else tell co-workers?
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That's ALL him. He's a grown man and that's not my battle or burden.
I only wanted to come in here and be clear about my level of involvement in his channel.
IMO, it's on you if you continue to do business with him and help promote him, and we get to judge what kind of person you appear to be if you do - one lacking moral moral fibre.
No one gets to put their hands up and say "sorry, nothing todo with me!" over things so sensitive and important.
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"conversation on his life journey" is what you do when someone has made some progression in their life.
Has Lloyd progressed at all? Developed himself? Done anything positive that would be worth discussing as any kind of post-WTS "journey"?
He started taking drugs and regularly visiting prostitutes. That's really the extent of his "journey". Oh, and took money off people under false pretences.
The guy may as well interview someone who keeps stepping on garden rakes, or regularly falls on his face.
"hey pal, how was the journey ... to the floor?"
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Why is Canada called Canada? Because there’s nobody there. (German joke)
First, this is why Germans are known for their "sense of humour" (or lack, thereof)
Second, the real reason is they put letters into a bag and pulled them out randomly one by one, reading them out to get the new country name:
C, ay?
N, ay?
D, ay?
... and someone wrote it down.
