Posts by Simon

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

It would mean his father was comfortable covering up crimes and advising how to evade justice, but apostasy is much worse and he must be shunned

Remember, we only have his word and story on anything that happened in his life. We know he lies like an Elder (sorry, couldn't resist that one) so why believe anything he's told us? As slimboyfat said, he's not the most trustworthy narrator and hasn't been since day 1.

Isn't it entirely possible that someone could find him a disgusting embarrassment and want nothing todo with him and at the same time cover up what he did because they see "protecting the organization" as the prime directive?

Don’t be quick to blame a spouse for condoning behaviour. We have no idea how horrendous the situation may truly be. No wonder she never wanted to appear in videos and he had to “surprise” her to get her on camera sometimes.

I'm not so sympathetic anymore. Past a certain point, people deserve the lives they have. They make the choices, they get to live with them. She knew about him many years ago, from his own admission, and if he's now rebuilding his studio then he's not been kicked out in spite of what she knows now. So I'm no longer going with the "poor her" theory, I'm going with "maybe likes the money" theory. Without his "activism" he'd probably be washing windows and she'd be a window-washers-wife (no offence to window washers). Either that, or he's absolutely domineering, and someone with more personal acquaintance with her needs to get her serious help to escape.

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ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith Apologizes to Jehovah’s Witnesses For Falsely Suggesting They Are Anti-Vax

by Bangalore in

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espn’s stephen a. smith apologizes to jehovah’s witnesses for falsely suggesting they are anti-vax.. https://www.thewrap.com/espn-stephen-a-smith-jehovahs-witnesses-apology/.

Simon

Most people being accused of "Anti Vaxx" are really anti-vaccine MANDATE!

i.e. they don't believe the government should be able to force a medical procedure, particularly an experimental one that hasn't been given FDA approval with no recourse for any harm it causes, on anyone.

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The Left and Present Truth

by neat blue dog in

add yet another jw similarity to the list:.

they say now the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks.

things like the effectiveness of masks and the vaccine, the origin of covid-19 in a lab, clinton spying on trump, the existence of a pedophile ring for the elites and more, things branded as conspiracy theories have been proven true.

Simon

Has anyone noticed how for a long time, you find out news on the internet and then a week later your local news channel has it as a breaking story?

Now the conspiracy theories that are rubbished at the time turn out to be absolutely true 6months to 2 years later.

Then people try to gaslight you that they always knew and supported that truth, even though they pushed for people to be socially executed at the time for not repeating the official mantra.

Practically everything you read or hear through traditional media is now a lie, coming straight from government agencies.

Think critically and act accordingly.

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Simon

Countries that have lower age-of-consent laws tend to have a "Juliet clause" that limits the age-difference, precisely to protect them from abuse without also criminalizing young people in genuine relationships.

Because there is a world of difference between a 14 year old girl with a 16 year old boyfriend, and a 14 year old girl and a 30 year old man who's groomed her online to meetup in a car-park.

Anyone who thinks these are the same is either a ridiculous simpleton, a pedo apologist or a pedo.

But it's an irrelevant distraction what the law is elsewhere, the age of consent in England and Wales is 16, anyone having sex with such a minor who cannot legally give consent, but especially a 30 year old man, is a child rapist. Also, the legal definition of sex in this case isn't limited to full intercourse, it includes oral and masturbation.

If someone can't control their penis, and has shown a tendency and willingness to use "girls" then whether they have actually raped an underage girl and end up facing prosecution for it is immaterial - they have no business ever being near or involving themselves in anything to do with child sexual abuse survivors for the optics alone.

But the thought that someone like that went out of their way to involve themselves into groups that dealt with such survivors really gives me Jimmy Saville vibes - he was always keen to "help" children's charities, such a keen campaigner for kids ...

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

IF these were a fabrication then those who are handing in the evidence are in serious trouble for a) wasting police time and b) slandering/falsely accusing etc.

No, if anyone comes across anything that may be evidence of such crimes, they have a duty to give this potential evidence to the police. If it is faked, then only the people behind the fakery would face any consequences.

If you hear something, or see something, report it. The police have the resources to investigate the claims.

Otherwise, we're exactly at the WTS standard of "well, if you didn't see it yourself, then you don't know, so don't say anything". Is that really what we want the standard to be now?

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Have you ever thought about this statistic?

by psyco in

forgetting for a moment the past, let us imagine that now we are about 8,000,000,000 people in the world and jws are about 8,000,000.8,000,000 / 8,000,000,000 = 0.1%.this means that satan can mislead 99.9% (100 - 0.1) of the people in the world.after 1,000 years, when humankind will be perfect again, since "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), once again a huge amount of perfect people will get misled by satan.if the reason for this big number was because of the imperfection, that means adam and eve's fault, not so many "perfect" people should get misled by satan in the future paradise.so, could you think that 99.9% of the perfect angels are demons misled by satan?

if not, why is satan able or allowed to mislead so many more (imperfect and) perfect humans than angels?another question is: if god "does not desire anyone to be destroyed" (2 peter 3:9), why does he allow satan to be able to mislead 99.9% of people since he knows in advance that "many, i tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able" (luke 13:24), and "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), and "go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it" (matthew 7:13, 14)?

should not it be the other way around as a logical statistic?

Simon

Someone could be genuinely looking for the "one true religion" (just pretend there is such a thing) their entire lifetime and never come across JWS.

Sorry, you failed, go directly to eternal death, do not pass Go, do not collect eternal life.

God is an evil fucker that runs an unfair game doesn't he? (even if you believe it)

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Also, where did this person obtain these messages? Presumably LE would have deleted them so only the girl would have them (and why would she give them to anyone, not being a JW).

To me it all seems very convenient, and dumb. Your initials and year of birth in your email address

Honestly, he doesn't seem the brightest or best with technology. How did someone get pictures of his pictures in Thailand? I thought he took and shared them ...

Didn't he register as a legal director of a US company or organization with a fake identity ...

He didn't think that people's facebook identity actually revealed who they were or would be a risk to people who might be shunned ...

From the very start, when he came on this site, with the whole JWSurvey thing and "I need to protect my identity at all costs", I immediately knew exactly who he was (and despite all the crap he caused here, never revealed it), because he used a personal email that had his and his wife's name in it that were public on a blog ...

As a Youtube streamer he recently couldn't get his audio working for a YouTube video ...

How did someone get it? I believe that the story is that his wife found out about what was going on and spoke to the girl, maybe she took screenshots to confront him, or to get advice from someone else, maybe family, about what she found (and they kept it). Maybe he took them as a memento, who knows. I think if the claim being made is "no one could ever be guilty because no one could ever be stupid enough to leave evidence, so any evidence can't possibly be real", then surely anyone working to protect children should pack up and give up, 'cause what's the point? The fact is, people are sloppy, and people get caught for all manner of things that in hindsight appear easy to avoid.

I don't know what is or isn't true, all we have are the accusations and these screenshots that are claimed to be evidence for them.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Why would watchtower keep this information for themselves. I can think of a 100 ways how they could use this information against him without harm for them. It's just doesn't make sense,that they have a proof of him being a predator and let him talk about the watchtower,uncovering the dirty secrets of this cult....

Look at the bigger picture, at keeping control. If they publicly executed him for stepping out of line, why would anyone else subsequently trust them and agree to stay in line? They would lose some of their power over millions.

Letting some minion go is a smaller loss for them. Remember, the truth is he is nothing to them. What do they care if he leaves?

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Simon

Nitty-Gritty:

I told you it wasn't open for debate. You since posted twice advocating that there's nothing wrong with a 30 year old man having sex with a 14 year old girl. Ironically, you think me deleting such a post is something worthy of your criticism. I think your values are all wrong.

I deleted your posts and your account as people like you frankly disgust me. This site won't be a platform for pedo apologists.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Is he trying to set himself up a new career as a movie critic?

Or it's some lame attempt to show that he "doesn't care" about all this bad publicity?

Any normal person would actually take a break from social media, this just reenforces my opinion that he has no sense of shame whatsoever and still doesn't believe he's done anything wrong.