Posts by Simon

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Simon

Lloyd thought he was untouchable, like Thanos

In reality, he was a fraud, like Theranos

On the other hand Lloyd is still making a feisty display of carrying on regardless. It looks like a pretty hopeless endeavour, but with his track record of fooling people he obviously still believes he has a chance of weathering this storm.

There's a constant supply of "fresh meat" for him - people leaving who don't know his history, who'll come across his videos with comments full of nothing but adulation (because he deletes anything that questions him).

What we need to do is promote other voices, and that people shouldn't wallow in being an exJW and obsessing about the WTS for the rest of their lives, but instead recover and move on.

I have some thoughts / plans to help with this.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Simon

Dear friends can I ask you when respond to this post to keep on referring to Lloyd Evans aka ...

At a certain point, it becomes counter-productive. It could be seen to be spamming, so they wouldn't rank as highly, and also derails the discussion so people who may otherwise want to read things stop doing so.

Like in A Few Good Men where the guys says "you say it once ... you keep saying it and ..." (you know the thing).

So lets stop with it now, thanks.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

More exposure as Lloyd's antics reach a wider audience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq6awNiNWm0

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Remember: it's easier to fool someone than to convince someone they have been fooled.

Many people will prefer to double-down on supporting him rather than admit that they have been duped by a manipulator or made a poor judgement of character.

Even when the truth is there to see, when it's come out of his own mouth, they still refuse to acknowledge it and act accordingly.

Instead, they try to rationalize and excuse it by making out that criticism of him is the worst thing imaginable, in this case being publicly raped.

Sick, sick, sick.

But worse is that HE doesn't point out how inappropriate that comment is. Instead, he laps it up, because it's adulation and paints him as some kind of martyr.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Monica was the one who made a quick video on Twitter shortly after these revelations came out and Patrons were dropping like flies saying she was upping her existing patronage to $25 a month.

These people really are sick.

You see this cult behavior all the time. When the followers are let down it doesn't wake them up and give them pause to re-evaluate their beliefs. No instead a true believer double-downs and becomes an even more ardent supporter.

They are the kind who shout support outside a court while their idol is inside being prosecuted for rape or child abuse. The same kind of people who throw money at their disgraced messiah, caught diddling other girls behind his wife's back but pretending that he's the one who's being persecuted.

I'm guessing it triggers something in their brain, like they get a hit of dopamine, serotonin, endorphins or something from following out their conditioning to manifest their support.

Exactly the same as the WTS does with its followers, and Lloyd id now just continuing what they trained him to do.

It really is quite breathtaking, and the people are completely fooled ... which is why they'll become so disappointed with themselves once something shakes the rose tinted glasses off their face. Maybe a post of theirs will anger him and they'll find themselves out of favor and blocked, or simply chastised for not being as supportive as he demands or for also supporting someone else that he doesn't approve of.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Simon

He does like to play word games and semantics.

The whole "hired" vs "dated" a prostitute is a distraction from the key part - he was cheating on his wife with multiple prostitutes!

He also tried to do this when Andrew Gold talked about leaders having a responsibility (I think it was, going off memory). Instead of addressing the issue the point was actually about, he announces "but I'm not a leader!" and his face beams like he's just won the court-case of the century.

Of course we all know he has set himself up as an authority, a leading voice, a "leader" if you will and we know he definitely has his own "culty" followers (people who lack either brains, morals, or both). So it was an accurate term to us.

He probably imagines that he's convincing and has set matters to rest once and for all. I'd believe he was just a deluded fool if I didn't know he's such a manipulative liar.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Simon

Yes, this “mentioning but not mentioning” of producer bob has caught my notice on a number of occasions and had I not had the knowledge of lloyd evans outing PIMO’s etc in the past I wouldn’t have noted it so much.

I've noticed that too, it stands out how he says it and he's said the same thing at least a couple of times.

It came across as a veiled threat for someone to "stay silent, or else ..."

I'm guessing one of the reasons is because the optics of him telling multiple female colleagues about his sexual escapades is more than weird.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Simon

calling his “girlfriend” narrative bullshit ….. which it is

I think he's probably come up with that after people rightly pointed out that prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Just because it's not prosecuted due to corruption, doesn't make it OK

Just part of why so many Thai prostitutes are minors or were originally minors when they started or were trafficked.

But it's OK, Lloyd just engaged his hooker-background-checking department to verify all the ones he "dated".

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Simon

He probably said to them you cause any problems for my in laws and I will publicize the fact my father made sure I wasn't disfellowshipped for cheating on my wife. In other words I'll tell the Croation witnesses about "elder privilege & elder kid privilege"

I don't think that's enough - that elders kids are "protected" is a well known thing and also something they could easily deny or put a spin on and ends up showing them in the positive light ("so you're saying now that you faked being repentant? See, Jehovah exposes everything in the end ...")

For it to be leverage, it needs to be something that they wouldn't want exposed, but also something he is not going to want exposed either.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

The Branch dude was probably there for translation purposes OR because elders in the local area had conflict of interest due to close ties with Dijana and her family? That could be a reason they needed an "out-of-towner" maybe?

The translation thing doesn't make sense to me.

A little googling shows that something like 70% of Croatians speak English overall, rising to 90% in more populated / less rural areas (non speakers tending to be older / more isolated). So the notion that they couldn't simply get an elder from the local congregation or a close-by congregation in the same circuit doesn't really fly IMO.

I also don't believe they ever really care a great deal about conflicts of interest, but I guess it's possible.

I think IF a branch person was there it is more likely todo with the claim that Lloyd had something over them that he believed he could use to "make a deal".