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  Rutherford's Coup

  by RolRod in

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  a new book on the events of the 1917 schism titled rutherford's coup is officially out on amazon.. authored by rud persson.

  description.

  raised a baptist, in 1906, joseph franklin rutherford, a provincial missouri attorney with a shrewd and scheming legal mind, became a baptized “bible student.” in 1907, rutherford became the legal counselor for the group's legally chartered corporation, the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

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  Simon

  That can be typical for things that have a very narrow niche appeal.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Here's the only other thing of interest that I've found. By Googling this address from Cedars' envelope...

  Something I find amazing. Say you're going to launch some super-important complex international libel case against multiple defendants. Do you:

  a) Research which law firm has the very specific expertise in that particular area of law necessary to handle this, together with a recognized history of successful cases ...
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  b) Go to the closest law-firm to you, ~20mins up the road, in a town of ~40k population?

  Just what are the chances that the closest lawyer to where you live also happens to be the best and most cost effective to handle seven cases of such complexity successfully?

  Incredible luck, eh?!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Simon

  He maybe kinda thought, 'if you leave the WT cult you can do anything you want - cheat on your wife with prostitutes, anything!'

  I think he's surrounded himself with lots of people who believe that. They seem to believe that to truly reject the WTS you have to reject all that the WTS ever say. Like-people are often attracted to each other.

  Sensible and mature people know that working on your marriage, being moral, being honest, not being abusive and similar things transcend any religious beliefs and edicts - they are simply good things to do if you are a good person.

  You don't have to live opposite-life to be an exJW. You don't have to become a drug-taking, cheating, abusive jerk to show how wrong the WTS was. Who says something is irrelevant to the value of what is said. Some of what the WTS teach when it comes to lifestyle is sensible and good. Just because they repeat it doesn't make it wrong. In fact, if you want to show how wrong they are, you should aim to become a better person than the JW version of you.

  But to be fair, from everything I've read about him it sounds like he didn't change when he left - he was already a wife-cheating sex pest while he was a JW and that's why they kicked him out.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Simon

  this thread has now become the most replied to post on JWN.

  Infamy: noun, the state of being well known for some bad quality or deed.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6BJJe9JV_A
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  Am I at the right place?

  by AnotherJohn in

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  i’m still a good christian.

  i still believe the bible.. i don’t like the wt society, but some of the people, as individuals are good.

  there are many nasty jws also.. i have concerns about current events and how close the end actually is.

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  Point was, you couldn’t explain it.

  Couldn't explain what?

  Ancient Astronaut Theorists? Whatever they are - substance abuse or brain-damage.
  

  Nuclear Glass? Whatever that is, probably asteroid strikes.

  And of course you dismiss each little fact.

  No, I dismiss the conclusion you reach which the facts don't support. We've posted good examples, where a fact about something in a story happening to be true, isn't proof that the entire story itself or another part of it, is true.

  They add up though. If each little fact builds on another, then like any reasonable person, one can theorize about it being fact.

  If you have facts, you don't need to theorize. If you're theorizing, you're guessing / hoping / making shit up.

  You have already made your mind up what you want to believe, then you go scratching around for any little snippet that you can twist to support it. Stop pretending you are doing anything remotely scientific.

  You "believe". Bravo. Belief is the absence of both evidence and reason.
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  Share This?

  by blondie in

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  i notice now that ops have a "share this" in the upper right hand corner.

  i know how to do it on fb, how do we do it here?.

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  It just creates a ready-made post with link on whatever service you click.

  It doesn't post anything, just makes sure the link is correct with the topic title (if the service supports it), so you can still edit it to add whatever you want to say.

  Meant as a convenient way to share a link ...
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  Am I at the right place?

  by AnotherJohn in

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  i’m still a good christian.

  i still believe the bible.. i don’t like the wt society, but some of the people, as individuals are good.

  there are many nasty jws also.. i have concerns about current events and how close the end actually is.

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  I am not out to convince you. Impossible. So relax.

  The only accurate thing you've said, 'cause so far all I've heard from you is gibberish and not-so-well-disguised insults.

  I don't think this site is for you, or more accurately, we're not here for you to waste our time.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Off topic comments, particularly those involving unnecessary and unwarranted foul language will be removed.
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  Am I at the right place?

  by AnotherJohn in

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  i’m still a good christian.

  i still believe the bible.. i don’t like the wt society, but some of the people, as individuals are good.

  there are many nasty jws also.. i have concerns about current events and how close the end actually is.

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  Simon

  Also no or none? They found Jericho. They found Jashua’s canal and crypt in Egypt. What do you want them to find?

  These are not proof. Someone finds "something" and says "hey, this could be XYZ out of the bible!"

  That's not really proof of what they end up claiming. Found an old piece of wood? Noahs ark!!!

  Also, writers of fiction throughout history have always set stories in real-world settings with other real-world characters, but just because the setting exists doesn't make the story true.

  It's like an archeologist in the future finding modern day New York and deciding that Avengers End-Game must therefore have really happened.

  Personally, I think you're trolling or lack the ability to discuss things properly.
  
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  Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon

  by joey jojo in

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  2. beliefs

  at the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.

  it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.

  im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.

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  Problem is that the numbers of annointed keeps growing every year.

  The whole idea of the anointed class was invented long before todays "self-declare you are special" society where people just love to self-identify as something that has some desirable label attached, like "minority", "oppressed" or "ruler of the universe".

  So now the number will forever go up until they come up with some other belief. The obvious fix is to make the 144,000 into a figurative number, to remove the inconvenient math.

  Incidentally, more early Christians died than that and all were anointed because it was way before 1914. So apparently people were loyal to the point of death but they weren't "genuine"? The math never worked.