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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

they did at one point try to shut him down

Again, we need to stop going off what he claims. Just because he makes a video saying "the WatchTower is trying to silence me" does not mean they are. He's simply got a bog-standard copyright takedown request and tried to turn it into a martyrdom, aka, a fund-raising opportunity.

I've had a few DMCA takedown notices from the WTS over the years. I don't shout about it because it's not really a big deal and soliciting donations on the back of it wouldn't change anything so IMO would be immoral. I think I complied with a couple and not with one, but nothing else came of it. They don't appear particularly over-eager to shut anyone down from what I've seen - they use the law to protect their copyrights which is what anyone needs to do to keep control and rights over their material. Lloyd seems to be far more eager to "shut people down"

The WTS are not Scientology, however much he tries to make out otherwise.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

P.S. Simon might go in and post some kind of disclaimer above that little video, saying that, by their comments, this Thread’s participants aren’t convinced of the video’s authenticity.

No need. Whatever anyone posts is their view - unless someone specifically says otherwise we don't agree or disagree with anything. No need to add any endorsement or non-endorsement notices to anything.

“Seeing”, “dating”, “meeting”. What’s next? “Consulting”, “entertaining”, “encountering”? So, ... do I have this straight? He dates SWs, but doesn’t always take advantage of all the services they offer?

You have to think with "Lloyd Logic" ... remember how he claims that money spent goes into separate distinct buckets? Like Patreon money and Google Ads money, and whatever is spent is always from someplace else so isn't being funded by ... you get the idea.

Same with his hookers. He could be "dating" a hooker, paying for meals, transport, gifts, anything and everything and then pretend that's a separate "bucket" of money and nothing at all todo with them sleeping with him.

In his warped mind, that means he's dated them, not hired them and paid for sex.

Of course he's also a lying shit so why do we bother with anything he says? It's all bullshit to weasel his way out of whatever awkward situation his previous lies got him in.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

As for being "controlled opposition". You can be damaging to a cause (so ultimately beneficial to the "enemy") without any paid or organized collusion.

I think this is a more accurate description of the situation. He's elbowed people out of the way, silenced other voices, and then discredited himself - living up to the caricature of how an apostate will behave once they "leave the truth".

If you become a poster child that the WTS can use to say "see, look how people fall apart when they leave - abusing their spouse by using prostitutes ..." then there doesn't need to be an ongoing relationship or any "control" for that person to affectively be opposition to the very thing they claim to be fighting for or supporting.

But I don't think the overly-dramatic video helps or is really convincing. Like Evans, it probably does more harm than good, so personally I would distance myself from it. Things like that chip away at your credibility and reflect on your judgement IMO.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

this was the residence he rented after earthquake, from is youtube I received another shunagram jan.11.2021 RANT.

Gosh he looks like a serial killer in that picture lol. Actually, he looks exactly like how the wt depicts crazy apostates

Gotta say, he's really nailed the "mad-monk Rasputin look"

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Would you still be angry with Lloyd Evans ?

by BettyHumpter in

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if instead of thailand, he had gone to a place where its legal and (supposedly) has some sort of oversight to prevent exploitation?

like nevada in the u.s or amsterdam in europe?

would the being unfaithful part still be a deal breaker as far as supporting his channel?

Simon

It would be slightly less bad - on the scale of normal to dumb-fuckery, he'd move the needle by the width of the needle.

But he didn't and he wasn't (single), so what's the point of the moral relativism?

The combination of supposed CSR advocate using significantly younger prostitutes in high-trafficked countries while married and then the arrogant claims that there was no wrong done and it's no one's business? Priceless.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Real pics from the event (taken from their event FB page): (I don't see Jabba the Hutt anywhere. Maybe he's being a punter again)

Back to meetups in car-parks ...

Too soon?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

He constantly refers to Kim as "retired lawyer" so ... retired = no-longer working. Unless he signed a contract of engagement, she wasn't representing him in any legal capacity.

He's clutching at straws, or rather, throwing mud in the hope that it gives the appearance of some impropriety.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

If her information is correct, an important threshold was not met - the "threshold" being that the court declined to serve the "defendants". We don't know the reason yet, but it's not hard to imagine they don't see they have any jurisdiction for this, or perhaps they have already flagged this as a frivolous lawsuit.

Something like this would require process serving in multiple countries in multiple continents. That isn't going to be covered by the basic paperwork application fee. Someone needs to do that work, someone needs to coordinate it and hire people and all those people expect to be paid.

The court isn't going to foot the bill for some frivolous case of dubious merit especially in jurisdictions they have no authority in. They probably took one look at what it entailed and immediately saw it for what it was - utter nonsense.

I think Lloyds plan was to send his "scary" letters out hoping someone would cave so it would allow him to declare victory and lies, and not lose any money on the whole thing. But that didn't happen. To prosecute this case will require deep pockets and without a clear win on the cards it's unlikely anything will ever happen. Of course it won't stop him claiming that it'll arrive any-day now, and that the time left is getting short ... maybe within another overlapping generation it might happen.

Anything but admit he had no case and no one lied about him.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Lloyd meets up with his top legal team asking them to justify their costs when his cases against the M7 have been thrown out of court. Maybe because he hasn't shown proof

It reminds me of the "services" people offer whenever you need to do anything - apply for a work permit, create a company, whatever. You have to provide the information to someone. All you do when you "hire" someone is that they ensure you fill the forms in correctly, but ultimately it's always you doing the filling somewhere along the line either directly or via them.

It looks like he imagined he could just make a high-level claim of "I've been defamed" and have them go seek out and document the necessary details. Maybe, if he was willing to pay them enough, but unrealistic for the nature of his complaint.

There's no clear obvious complaint - if there was he would be pointing to it and he's spectacularly refused to even describe what the complaint actually is.

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Will Ukraine win?

by Fisherman in

i was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.

seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.

no guess how it will all end..

Simon

They can't even play football in half of Europe because of it. You can't be gay, or a person of colour in certain parts of the country.

And yet "we" don't seem to have any problem dealing with countries that have worse human-rights records

How long has Saudi Arabia been bombing Yemen and are still OK to do business with?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/saudi-war-crimes-yemen/

And if Russia is so bad, why did Europe decide to make themselves dependent on them for their critical energy needs? Seem like an idiotic move, no?

The only question that matters is whether you want to perpetuate these things. If you do, then support the war. Personally, I think it's sick and the only truly moral stance is to stop these things happening. They can only do it with the support of useful idiots.

If you think the war is 100% the choice of Putin you probably believed that the Iraq war was all about WoMDs.