Very sad. I'm sure there's a longer story behind this, but it won't justify someone's insane actions.
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29Police confirm homicide at Jehovah’s witness center in Colorado after shooter 'threw Molotov cocktail into building'
by TakeOffTheCrown inhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11573103/active-shooter-throws-molotov-cocktail-jehovahs-witness-center-colorado.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Simon
he never expected “such a significant % of ex-JWs to so easily flip to being judgmental & self-righteous.”
This is such a cheap shot. The notion that anyone who happens to have morals and behave like a respectable person is somehow "judgemental and self-righteous" is right up there with comparing someone to having an elder mindset. Usually a sure sign that someone has no real argument worth making.
He still can't grasp that the overwhelming majority of regular people would condemn what he did: you don't need to have been brought up in a strict conservative religion to believe that cheating on your wife and leaving your family over Christmas to go to certain countries to use prostitutes is immoral and low.
It doesn't make people self-righteous, it just makes them normal and not degenerative perverts.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Simon
Remember one of his early lies, that he'd hired a PR firm to deal with this bad publicity?
What a stellar job they didn't do, if they even existed.
Coming up to a year later and HE still can't help talking about and publicizing the whole thing.
What a muppet.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Simon
To put it mildly. What I see is him blowing a huge opportunity to come across as the voice of reason and even elicit sympathy.
Yeah, it's a tough act to pretend you've been heinously wronged but are then innocent and it's of no concern when you do the same thing to someone else. It was an open net, an easy goal, and he hoofed it wide.
The reason there wasn’t a Magnificent 8 with Jake included was due to a mutual follower of both parties interceding in favour of Jake. Lloyd was already paying more than he wished for the litigation anyway and he didn’t take much convincing to drop one to save money.
I wasn't aware of the 8-to-7 thing which in itself again undermines the whole claim - if you don't feel quite so "wronged" just because one patreon subscriber (?) liked the other guy too, it's then hard to argue that you have been quite so wronged by the other people.
Honestly, all these Patreon and GoFundMe type things just seem to be a cancer. I'm sure there are communities and creators where they work as intended, but it all just seems to be so scammy and open to people who will game them.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Also (more re: Jakes latest video)
If you are keen to "do more", to be "an activist" ... be aware that while the vast majority of people are nice but some people are utter scum. There are nutty psychos about, in general online and it seems especially in the exJW community. People are unbalanced, obsessive, and want to retaliate if you slight them in some way or they will just take exception if someone else is a "success" in some way.
I've come across them over the years and I don't really get too involved with exJWs as a result. The idea that we can only limit our association with a certain group is the ultimate JW mindset hangover.
This is partly why I think people wallowing in exJWism and making it their life are certainly not helping themselves and probably not really helping other people who leave and then get hooked on exJWism.
Rather than making "leaving the JWs" into a big accomplishment, why don't we make it what it really is - something that anyone can do, fairly easily, so they can move on with your life. Yes, there may be some family ties impacted but that happens to the rest of society, just for different reasons. It's not the worse cult ever, stop pretending it is. The WTS are not the 3rd Reich, stop pretending they are.
Just leave, show that you can be normal and that it's no big deal.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I think the thing that was “determined to be a lie” in the clip was the specific comment by Jake that he wasn’t “going to make jokes about Lloyd Evans” because he did make jokes about him and it was itself intended as a joke.
This is what he does, he uses a fine toothed comb to find one single line that he can label as "false" and then uses that to label everything as a lie. It's a very childish and unconvincing strategy, but he's had success with it when combined with his bullying people away so his lies are then unchallenged.
If I said I'm not going to make a joke, then tell 101 factual things about Lloyd's life and include a joke while doing it, then I have technically "lied" ... but unfortunately for Lloyd, the lie isn't about him - it's simply a comedy mistruth (often the basis of comedy) told to the audience of the video, about the video, but not a falsehood about the subject of the video.
Lloyd Evens has nothing to complain about. He remains a failed JW, failed exJW and failed husband who regularly visited prostitutes for at least 4 years.
As for YouTubers and any other "activist": don't create heroes. Appreciate the work people do, but don't treat anyone as a role model. It doesn't help anyone who may fail when given undue attention and adulation. I also don't think it really helps people to "support their activist" to any undue degree. I've always believed that what helps others to leave is demonstrating that you can leave and be normal, happy, and relatively well-adjusted (or no worse than the general populace) and then eventually continuing on your journey.
Also, someone can be an expert on a subject but utterly fail themselves on that very same subject. I saw the case of someone who was educating about personal finances, and everything they said was good advice and made sense ... but they were personally failing and were deep in massive debt.
Don't create heroes, become your own hero for yourself and you family.
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UKRAINE: are things SO bad......
by BoogerMan in....that fighting-fit young ukrainian men are having to be evacuated - to accommodation in dublin city centre?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqq2aj0lohu.
beats the rubber dinghies, i suppose..
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Or, we could stop sending the RNLI to rescue them, and JUST LET THEM DROWN. Not nice, but it would discourage more from doing it.
Probably one of those things where it would ultimately end up saving more lives in total.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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What was that GoT quote, "Nothing someone says before the word 'but' really counts" ...
He can't even say he loves her without finishing with effectively a "but ... not really"
He's always been an abusive cheater and always will be an abusive cheater, because people never really change their true selves.
Even in his book you see him putting the blame on his wife, as though it really is her failure that caused him to do what he was already doing before ever meeting her ... being a grubby little selfish toad of a man.
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How does the holy spirit that picks these people keep fucking up so badly?
It's almost like the entire thing is a pack of lies and it's just a bunch of men, some of them vile, running things.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I was thoroughly shocked that she won this case.
She didn't - the initial win was only a paltry amount and then it was overturned.
She can't really claim it harmed her, as her case brings far more publicity to the matter, like Streisand.
But back to the witnesses - let's not forget the effect it has on them. Does it really help them or reinforce the notion that apostates are "prowling around", deceptively trying to fool them?
He's the perfect caricature of an apostate, living down to the expectations the WTS setup.
It doesn't help the JWs, it's not showing any care or compassion towards them. The only person it helps is him, for clicks and views, via the people who want a constant diet of "WTS bad" and can't see the difference between the organization and individual members.
Sad followers of a sick fool.