well, yes, as a matter of fact.
i have become a desperate, needy, clingy burden on my friends, so depressed i don't know what to do.
every day i say, pull up your socks, put one foot in front of the other.
((((Hortensia))))
I do understand because like others on this thread I've also suffered the exact same feelings. Finally I feel I'm emerging from the blackness, but I'm still really careful right now to keep well.
My only advise is do your utmost to surround yourself with people. Go to groups, get out of the house, if you can.
I'd also recommend praying. You might not see god in the same way, but pray anyway.
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Sirona
is this the best of all possible worlds?.
had god created a world in which he invested humans with adherence to inner, god designed morality guidance--wouldn't an obedient (and far better off human race) world not have been "better" than the one we are in?.
free will is only the freedom to screw up.. think about this.. everything man designs is designed to function properly.
The garden of eden story is mythology. The universe is still evolving.
I'm guessing that the people arguing about this would be those who take the bible literally?
I believe in divinity but this argument is moot because I don't take the Eden story literally.
Sirona
on what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
Interesting thread.
The only thing that upsets me is that it seems that people can't have a debate without being totally condescending to others.
This was totally unnecessary:
I'd cut and past the definition here in a little box, but, I'd like for you to go look it up by doing a search. That way, when you find out you'll have earned the information which will follow.
Terry, you'll find people want to read your comments and respond to you if you offer some respect rather than speaking to people like they are little children.
Sirona
is that then proof enough that there is life after death?.
does that mean we do actually have a soul?.
could you touch them for real?.
There is a TV show produced in the UK hosted by Colin fry, he is a spirit medium.
To say I was sceptical of such people at one time is putting it mildly.
But after watching him - it is truly amazing. The specific details he provides about dead loved ones it fascinating.
Scotsman,
Some think its strange, but I do consider each medium I see from a skeptical standpoint. I listen hard for evidence - specifics which the medium couldn't have just "made up". I also listen for leading cues...where the medium says something very vague and then when the person confirms it, the medium then makes it more and more specific on that one point.
For instance, a medium I saw recently did this (not word for word but from my memory) .... "Are you thinking of changing your job?"
Person replied "yes"
Medium "oh yes...well your grandad is telling me you are thinking of changing your job and its a good idea...he's saying that"
Now, as a skeptic I would say that this medium had a lucky guess in the first instance, but if the person had replied "No" then he'd have thought of something else to say.
Other mediums I've seen say something and railroad the person into agreeing. Like saying "you are thinking of changing your job....yes you are...you are aren't you? thats what they're saying".....all the time the person is kind of looking uncertain but finally nods their head because they've been almost forced to say yes.
However, despite "mediums" existing who do this, I've seen some genuine mediums who are astoundingly accurate and don't lead the person. I've also, in my preliminary studies, given messages - and I'm always always careful to never lead the person or ask them questions. I say what I'm being shown by spirit and thats it. The few times I've done messages (so far!) I've gotten names which were accurate (and not common names) and other private information that I couldn't have known, including descriptions of the person who passed, despite me not knowing anyone involved. I was shocked myself at first!
Colin Fry - I'm not 100% sure about him. Part of the reason for this is that they can edit out all the times he might get it wrong. Also there isn't definate proof that he hasn't researched the audience first. I would accept it if I saw him in person and if I knew he didn't know the audience first. There is a good chance he is genuine.
I feel the same way about spirit communications. I think that many stories of spirit contact are true. Some are not because there is sometimes another scientific / logical explanation for what happened.
Sirona
why would an atheist go to church?
to seek out a god?.
no more than a historian seeks out ra or hathor by researching egyptian religions.. those religions are dead now.
Why would an atheist go to church? To seek out a god?
No more than a historian seeks out Ra or Hathor by researching Egyptian religions.
OR an atheist could seek out Ra or Hathor.
Those religions are dead now.
Oh no they're not!
Sirona
our culturally biassed and contextual image of god is that of a male being, omnipotent, eternal, and existing outside the created world.
sirona introduced me to a new type of god (maybe one without caps, i'm not sure): a divinity who is human-like, framed within the human perspective, subject to suffering, growing and dying, like anything else in the visible universe.. isn't it time to face the fact that our western image of god is nothing more than our perspective on god with all its negative and positive aspects included?
why do we need to prove the existence of our god if it's only the perspective we feel comfortable with?
Sirona introduced me to a new type of God (maybe one without caps, I'm not sure): a divinity who is human-like, framed within the human perspective, subject to suffering, growing and dying, like anything else in the visible universe.
I will wait to see the perspective of others before I make any comment on this thread.
Sirona
is that then proof enough that there is life after death?.
does that mean we do actually have a soul?.
could you touch them for real?.
Its great hearing about people's experiences.
As for dreams, I've heard that dreams involving actual spirit contact take on a certain vivid quality and are exceedingly memorable.
TIP: Next time you have a dream with a deceased loved on in it, ask that loved one to prove to you that it isn't just a dream. When I dreamed of my dad, I asked him "how will i know this wasn't just a dream" and he replied "your package is arriving today" (this package I'd been waiting for for weeks and was important to me). That morning, the package arrived.
I hope more people contribute to this thread!
Sirona
is that then proof enough that there is life after death?.
does that mean we do actually have a soul?.
could you touch them for real?.
Yes, there is fear.... My Hubby now, says... if we tried contacting... we may be sorry, since we may get more than we bargained for.....
I don't think that its a good idea to use Ouija boards or any such communication. They can be used, but the dangers are many and therefore the average person should just avoid them.
I also wouldn't see a medium who wasn't reputable. Some of them can do more harm than good. Good mediums can be found via the SNU (Spiritualists National Union) since they are at least assessed and obtain certification. Just google them!
A medium I saw here in the North West UK has a website www.happy-medium.co.uk he was good but not the best I've known. When my friend saw him, his face actually took on some of the features of her dad and he told her a private joke that they shared.
Sirona
is that then proof enough that there is life after death?.
does that mean we do actually have a soul?.
could you touch them for real?.
I've thought of that many times, but to be honest, it terrifies me. Why, I don't know.... makes no sense that I should be afraid of someone that meant so much to me. Just the unknown I guess.
This is a very common reason for people to not have spirit contact - the fear. It is entirely possible to block out experiences through fear....I know because I did it for years as a JW. They taught me that my experiences as a child (before becoming a JW at 12) were experiences with demons. Next time I "sensed" something I was terrified and blocked it out. The fear can exist inside even if we don't realise it too.
You really think there is healing on the other side for persons that committed suicide..?
100% definately. I've met people who I believe are genuine spirit mediums and I've read quite widely on the subject. I've also read about near death experiences. All sources say that the suicide victims did what they did because of some kind of mental illness (or accident...they didn't mean it to work). Suicide is NOT the answer to their problems though. So when they arrive on the other side they are just as confused and just as depressed as they were in their body. However they do then get a chance for healing, with help, and they start their healing journey over there. Time doesn't exist there like it does here, so it doesn't count the years like we do.
My dad died suddenly of a heart attack and I do think that some people who go suddenly like that tend to need a bit of healing when they get there. I knew in my heart that this was one thing that was happening with my dad soon after he passed.
You seem very knowledgeable on the subject of afterlife, I enjoy reading your thoughts on posts like this.
Thanks! To be honest I've always been reluctant to be this open because I think that I'll get labelled a crackpot!
Sirona
this is *if* you believe in god / a god / gods.
there are moments when i sit down and have a conversation, almost with myself, because even though i am looking up at the heavens/searching my soul, there is no answer, no supernatural feeling, it is quiet and still, but i speak the words just in case there is something listening.. if there is a god and he is all that he claims to be through all the religions on this earth, why doesn't he rule us as a god should?
why doesn't he come on down and sort out this world?
Renegade
This sounds like a fairly good explanation to me but I'd like to hear your thoughts. God created our universe but he's probably left it to see what happens or he's working on a different project. Sound realistic to you?
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Sirona
