yesterday, i was in court and was sitting in the front row going through my paperwork waiting to see if the defendant will show, i look across the walk way and there is a very large latina girl sitting directly across from me.
she was wearing a short little black dress that had a slit all the way up to ass cheek, her boobs were nearly popping out, her little black dress shoes looked as if she was baking bread in them.
now don't get me wrong i have nothing against full figured girls, however there are limits, i mean did she not know that when she sat down her dress went up over her ass?
Everyone else:
I've got some weight on me - I'm not a skinny girl by any stretch of the imagination...
I wouldn't wear certain things which show all my flesh in public because I realise it might look unattractive and not help me look my best
Thats basically what I'm saying...
OK leaving this thread now LOL
Sirona
yesterday, i was in court and was sitting in the front row going through my paperwork waiting to see if the defendant will show, i look across the walk way and there is a very large latina girl sitting directly across from me.
she was wearing a short little black dress that had a slit all the way up to ass cheek, her boobs were nearly popping out, her little black dress shoes looked as if she was baking bread in them.
now don't get me wrong i have nothing against full figured girls, however there are limits, i mean did she not know that when she sat down her dress went up over her ass?
Xena,
When I said "we" I was speaking about me and momzcrazy, as we'd both said the same thing and used the exact same word regarding appropriate clothing. So no, I wasn't electing myself as spokesperson.
Apart from that, I refuse to be drawn in to what appears to be a need of yours for extreme confrontation. Your comments are very insulting, especially this:
I wonder when you say these things about people if it makes you feel better about yourself? Do you ever wonder about their lives...why they make the choices they do? Or do you just snicker to your friends and feel oh so proud that you are sooo much better than them?
and I feel that this reveals far more about you than it does about me.
Sirona
yesterday, i was in court and was sitting in the front row going through my paperwork waiting to see if the defendant will show, i look across the walk way and there is a very large latina girl sitting directly across from me.
she was wearing a short little black dress that had a slit all the way up to ass cheek, her boobs were nearly popping out, her little black dress shoes looked as if she was baking bread in them.
now don't get me wrong i have nothing against full figured girls, however there are limits, i mean did she not know that when she sat down her dress went up over her ass?
Xena
What we meant by appropriate is something which doesn't show too much (which you appear to agree with - your comment regarding sex ed)
Of course if someone wants to show too much that is their choice, but all I'm saying (and I think this is what others were saying) is that if they do this, they look damned awful. If they want to go around looking hideous its up to them, but they can't complain when their dress choices ostracise them from others (because others are too embarressed to look, or too grossed out to look!)
Of course apart from that, it doesn't matter what *style* someone chooses.
I don't see how making observations like this are "judgemental".
Sirona
yesterday, i was in court and was sitting in the front row going through my paperwork waiting to see if the defendant will show, i look across the walk way and there is a very large latina girl sitting directly across from me.
she was wearing a short little black dress that had a slit all the way up to ass cheek, her boobs were nearly popping out, her little black dress shoes looked as if she was baking bread in them.
now don't get me wrong i have nothing against full figured girls, however there are limits, i mean did she not know that when she sat down her dress went up over her ass?
Some really big women are really beautiful IMHO. I do think that clothing should be appropriate though, because it just makes them look bad if they wear the wrong thing.
Personally I dislike skinny men - I prefer larger guys....
As for the pregnancy thing, well as you know I'm pregnant (21 weeks) and I was out in town the other day and wondered why different guys were staring at me...must be the pregnancy...either that or my nipple accidentally poked out ROFL (no seriously, I was wearing normal clothes).
God I love being pregnant. LOL
Sirona
i thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, i already accept many may not accept what i say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes....... i've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.. i faded from jw's 10/11 years ago now i left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, i was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what i read that if i tried to return i might face df or at least a jc but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - none of these have happened.
i talked with an old jw friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) i told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what i done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.. result!
she came back this week and said "all i had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that i had expressed i now had.. not quite the fire and brimstone welcome this site led me to believe would happen.. i will keep you posted with further updates if i feel the need to put them in future.. .
It makes me laugh that you actually think that anything you have to say would be a problem for the ExJWs on this board.
You have repeatedly shown a total inability to reason or think for yourself. You have repeatedly shown that you don't care a jot what this religion does to your kids.
You have helped persuade many readers here to never go back, because you are a reminder that active JWs choose to be ignorant just so that they can be part of "the best religion" and feel superior to others.
Sirona
we all know how hard it is, usually, for those rasied in the truth to readjust "outside in the world" once they leave ... so not to undermine them (esp.
for those who came in later in life - regardless of how many times from the podium you were instructed not to "leave the love you had at first" many of you are here because you found out the "truth about the truth" whether it was the people or doctrine or combination ... and were willing to open your mind, realize the "truth about the truth" and leave.
not to undermine all those years and mind numbing propaganda you endured in the jw's, but i have always felt: .
Firstly if i was bought up Outside of Jw's how would my thinking be different and by definition because you say i need counciling to get rid of the indoctrination better?
Reniaa,
The comment above tells us all a lot about you and your thinking.
Your thinking would be vastly different if you hadn't been brought up as a JW, but you can't see that.
As for counselling, yes, I think all cult members, including yourself, would benefit from it. I know I did.
You take everything I say as an attack and you refuse to listen to reason in any way, so I will politely leave you to your delusions.
Sirona
we all know how hard it is, usually, for those rasied in the truth to readjust "outside in the world" once they leave ... so not to undermine them (esp.
for those who came in later in life - regardless of how many times from the podium you were instructed not to "leave the love you had at first" many of you are here because you found out the "truth about the truth" whether it was the people or doctrine or combination ... and were willing to open your mind, realize the "truth about the truth" and leave.
not to undermine all those years and mind numbing propaganda you endured in the jw's, but i have always felt: .
Reniaa
Hi sirona, you do not address the bad expereinces i've had? it's like your saying the Jw's are to blame for the bad experiences i've had since and my mindset from them, which just can't be true.
I don't know where you got this from.
I didn't say that the JWs are to blame for the bad experiences you have had. I said that JWs are to blame for the way you (or any "born in") see those experiences. You see them as evidence that the world is bad and that the JWs are offering a safe haven. This attitude has been indoctrinated into you from birth.
Because the JW world is familiar to you and is all you've known, you will cling to it when things are hard. That is normal, natural....I wasn't critisising you. I was simply saying that getting out of the JW indoctrination takes a lot of effort and often counselling.
Sirona
we all know how hard it is, usually, for those rasied in the truth to readjust "outside in the world" once they leave ... so not to undermine them (esp.
for those who came in later in life - regardless of how many times from the podium you were instructed not to "leave the love you had at first" many of you are here because you found out the "truth about the truth" whether it was the people or doctrine or combination ... and were willing to open your mind, realize the "truth about the truth" and leave.
not to undermine all those years and mind numbing propaganda you endured in the jw's, but i have always felt: .
Hi Reniaa,
Maybe you should ask if once in and experiencing the "world" do born JW's get tempted into thinking of going back like myself.
You are definately touching on something here which I think many "born in" JWs often think. Gary (my partner) is a born in also Cordelia (a friend of mine) who posts here sometimes. In the early days of leaving Gary says he admits he hadn't really "faced" the whole JW experience, he just went out into the world and tried to live. Cordy has been plagued with thoughts of going back too.
I think that the way that "born ins" eventually "beat" the JW mindset is if, and only if, they face it head on in every way. Usually it involves counselling of some kind. Being born in has a massive effect on a persons psyche.
Just think, those (non JWs) who are abused from birth by a parent often care very much for that parent. As a child they believed that the parent loved them and they were confused because the abuse was always mixed up with messages of love. The parent might also have gone for periods of time where there was no abuse. So the child learns that this sort of relationship is normal to a certain degree. This is why, without counselling, the average abuse victim is unfortunately likely, when they grow up, to pick some bad partners. Its because they only learned one type of relationship at home and they learned to FEEL familiar with this type of abusive relationship (despite all the bad bits).
Liken the above scenario to JWism. I'm not saying that all JWs are abused, but what I am saying is that even in a "normal" JW upbringing there is a certain mindset - the JW mindset. This mindset can stifle normal development (socially, educationally, emotionally). But because the child also got "good" things too, and its all they know, they always....for the rest of their life....will feel most comfortable in the JW environment. Unless they face the issues and get help and move on.
I think Cordelia won't mind me saying that I think that she is one of these people. She was raised strictly JW. It was all she knew from birth. All of her self esteem and life choices were reflected in JWism. So now she's in the world, she feels like a fish out of water. She knows in her heart that she doesn't believe the JWs, but when she walks into a Kingdom hall all those "nice" feelings return. She remembers the nice memories and the feeling of being elite and protected from the world. When she is out in the world, she feels like every bad event and every bad person is just proving that the JWs were right! Why is this? Because its a LEARNED RESPONSE. The only way out of it is to do some really hard work on your own psyche.
I once heard a JW say "ignorance is bliss". This person wanted to believe the lie because it was easier. Ignore everything and retreat into the JW mindset - God will sort it all out in the end and we don't have to worry. Unfortunately the reality is that life involves pain and hardship and we learn from that. No amount of hiding is going to change that fact.
Sirona
come on guys - we're over in the us and bluesbrother seems to be the only one who has commented on the reaction to the announcement in the uk.
any other reactions from the friends?
surely you've all had your meetings by now?.
SAB, well you see they know I'm a hopeless apostate...
I think they were very shocked to hear that someone within the organisation had provided this information on the internet...
I think the local hall must have made a big deal about this announcement. They also must have made a really big deal about everyone in the world reading it simultaneously etc. because they were TRULY shocked when they discovered that I knew about it.
Sirona
i was raised a jw, by an inactive jw mom.
looking back, and reflection on my childhood, causes me to wonder.. i honestly did not miss the holidays, for example.
i never had them, so nothing was taken away in that regard.
