Posts by Sirona

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Elder John Doe-Able to handle anything!

by D8TA in

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(start the d8ta ironic, sarcasm machine).

yep...elder john doe, you know him, we all know him.. in my lifetime i would have to say i know about ooooh 30 some odd elders, and a dozen co's and maybe 1, 2, do's.

and ms's...can't even put a count on those.. and i reflect back, and look presently, as to who these people are.. now, i know this isn't every single "elders" story, but from my experience...these are the one's i knew:.

Sirona

Good Point D8TA and Guest77,

I know of one local elder who is 30. All through his life he's had communication problems on a 1 to 1 level and has been cushioned his entire life by his doting, rich mother. Are you telling me that people should go to him for advice? I don't think so, but after all, he does good talks and he goes out in ministry all the time...

I know of an elder who was physically abusing his wife and 2 children for years.

I think that the crux of the matter is that the society put these men in a position that they shouldn't be in. They are not simply "priests" they are given more status than that. In mainstream churches, the priests may give some advice, but mainly they guide and let people make their own decisions. Elders simply get out the society's most recent rag on the issue and say "do that". E.g. I'll never forget crisis of conscience where the lady wrote to the GB about her husband being discovered having sex with another man...the GB said it wasn't fornication and therefore she wasn't allowed a divorce. !!!!! Then the thought was changed a couple of years later but obviously too late for her! (she had to endure her hubby shagging a man freely for a couple of years and she was told by the local elders to 'stay with him')

UNBELIEVABLE!

Sirona

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Hyghlandyr's Announcement

by Hyghlandyr in

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i have finally gotten around to giving a cursory synopsis of my story, life before and after being one of jehovahs witnesses.. it contains the "f" word.

i have thus placed it into the adult and disagreements forum.

i have also placed it there since there are people who do not like my philosophies or what i write.

Sirona

Thanks flower You seem to know what you're talking about. As part of my psychology degree, I'd love to do case studies on *certain people* to see what their real problem is. Oh well, I guess we'll never know.

Sirona

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Hyghlandyr's Announcement

by Hyghlandyr in

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i have finally gotten around to giving a cursory synopsis of my story, life before and after being one of jehovahs witnesses.. it contains the "f" word.

i have thus placed it into the adult and disagreements forum.

i have also placed it there since there are people who do not like my philosophies or what i write.

Sirona

Imbue,

I don't know you and I don't know Hygh. You may know him better than I do.

Put simply, I was saying that someone can tell a story of their life and we can all choose whether we believe them or not. If we don't then we don't, but we shouldn't start saying that they are a liar without having enough proof.

Lets say you are right and Hygh is just looking for sympathy. Well, so what? I'm happy to have made his day better by giving him a little TLC.

Its clear that you want to put other people down (both Hygh and myself) but you can't take it when we respond.

Lets just be good children and stop slagging each other off. Oh and you might want to work on anger management.

Sirona

Andee: thanks :)

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Hyghlandyr's Announcement

by Hyghlandyr in

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i have finally gotten around to giving a cursory synopsis of my story, life before and after being one of jehovahs witnesses.. it contains the "f" word.

i have thus placed it into the adult and disagreements forum.

i have also placed it there since there are people who do not like my philosophies or what i write.

Sirona

Imbue,

It is irrelevant to me what Hygh is like as a person. My point was simply that if you hear a story of pain and abuse you don't just say its a "fairy tale". You don't know its not true, just like I don't know its true 100%.

I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt and trust them because that makes for being a better person - someone who cares. You seem to have a lot of problems of your own.

Sirona

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CARROT, EGG, OR COFFEE BEAN

by Billygoat in

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i usually delete these type of emails, but thought it was an interesting analogy and i thought i'd share.... .

a young woman went to her mother and told her about her life and how things were so hard for her.

she did not know how she was going to make it and wanted to give up.

Sirona

Unfortunately, I'm an egg that never seems to get tough enough. We learn...

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Hyghlandyr's Announcement

by Hyghlandyr in

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i have finally gotten around to giving a cursory synopsis of my story, life before and after being one of jehovahs witnesses.. it contains the "f" word.

i have thus placed it into the adult and disagreements forum.

i have also placed it there since there are people who do not like my philosophies or what i write.

Sirona

Imbue, I dont really know you, but if you think that Hyghs story is a "fairy tale" you are either unbelievably callous or a complete psychopath.

You may have seen or heard of worse things but that doesn't justify minimising someone elses pain.

Sirona

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CALLING ALL JWS THAT COME TO THIS BOARD

by MarchOn in

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dear ex-friends,.

i have been very curious about a few things and knowing your willingness to help out us "weak" ones i have a couple of questions.. 1. are you allowed as jws to visit boards like these or is a matter of conscience?.

2.do you tell your fellow brothers and sisters that you come to this board?.

Sirona

1. Are you allowed as JWS to visit boards like these or is a matter of conscience?
Let me just get my watchtowers out that deal with apostacy. Oh S**T actually I shouldn't even be conversing with you people.
Oh and my conscience works very nicely...when I have a problem, I just pick up my watchtower index and find the relevant article.

2.Do you tell your fellow brothers and sisters that you come to this board? The word "Fellow" is pagan and shouldn't be used. Shame on you!

3.Do you count your time preaching on this board as service hours and if so, do you let them know where those hours came from? And do you count reading what other people post as service time too?
YES! Its all service to Jehovah...in fact, I count the time it takes me to boot up, dial up, log on and browse. Typing time is doubled because I figure I'm putting more effort in than actually speaking.

4.Do you feel this is a good place to get your spiritual food and that coming here is bringing you closer to Jehovah and his organization? There is no spiritual food around here, its like eating burgers when I got steak at home.

5.Do you think that you may plant something in someones head that will change their mind about the organization, perhaps something they have not heard a billion times before when they were in the organization? Actually, I've been thinking that maybe the chip in spike's head on buffy the vampire slayer is a good idea. It could be programmed to give a shock to all you disgusting apostates if you dare to speak against the blessed brethren.

6.Have you ever considered that if the people here wanted to hear what you have to say, ummm they would ask one of you? You know, "don't call me, I'll call you". Trust me when I tell you, we could all find a JW pretty much anytime, whether we want to or not.

People who think, ask. (hint)

7.Last but not least,have any of you tossed around the idea that you just might be brain washed?

my brain is clean and undefiled, so in a sense it is washed.

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WANTING to Believe in God

by dobby in

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has anyone had this experience?.

after letting go of my beliefs as a jw, i felt the only alternative was to be atheist.

or maybe it is just logical to there is no god when i am only listening to my mind and not my heart.

Sirona

What a great thread!

I believe in God. This is based on my own experiences and those of others that I trust.

From being little, I've seen spirits. I've seen them appear and disappear before my very eyes. OK, so some people could say I hallucinated. There has been one occasion at least where the ghost told me something that I couldn't have possibly known and I gave the message to the intended person. Even this scenario could be said to be "tapping in" to some sort of energy, not a deceased person. Actually regarding energy...I have seen that too. At a concert I noticed an aura of violence around a person and warned my friend to move away (the person was standing with his back to us and he was not showing any signs of violence at that time). Later that evening he actually started a fight with someone near him.

IMO, if there are energies which allow predictions to be made about the future, if spirits can "appear", if there can be time-lapses, if auras can be seen and interpreted, then I think that the idea of God as energy or a supreme power is not so silly.

We can all look at God how we wish. Personally, I like to consider God in human terms as a Goddess and a God. This gives me a sense of understanding about the nature of God. IMO it doesn't matter to God and there is no requirement to "give" God anything.

Sirona

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HELP! - NWT Chapters Needed

by AvailableLight in

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can someone please post the contents of jeremiah chapters 14-18 from the nwt?.

thanks!

Sirona

Bloomin eck! you are not asking for much are you?! [8>]

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Have your moral values changed drastically?

by voltaire in

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i'm currently separated from my wife.

i told the elders that it ain't the truth and they told me to shape up or ship out (that's the very short version) my wife's loyal to the org.

and i don't want to be an apostate in my own home.

Sirona

OH and from a spiritual standpoint, I personally think that its the feeling and respect you have for the person that matters, not a piece of paper or legal contract. Sex is special and should not be abused, IMO, but it is natural and should be enjoyed without guilt.

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