Posts by cognisonance

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Evidence based folks: what is your stance on GMO's and why?

by cappytan in

jw
friends

so, the anti-gmo movement scored another victory today.

chipotle has opted to only use non-gmo food items.. hooray for them.

i'm pretty neutral on the subject, mostly because, other than questionable treatment of farmers, i have seen no evidence to avoid gmo's for health reasons.. basically, my neutrality boils down to the stance that i'll buy non-gmo, so long as the price is reasonable.

cognisonance

Interesting article in the NYT today...
"I decided I could no longer continue taking a pro-science position on global warming and an anti-science position on G.M.O.s."

Cofty, thanks for that article. It is an interesting experience. One thing I don't understand is why all skeptical GMO stances fall into the anti-science bucket. Why does skepticism of GMOs place people in the same company of anti-vaxers? I think some GMOs are perfectly fine. I'm skeptical of others. I do not agree with groups like Greenpeace using the fear of health problems as a means to block third world countries access to golden rice. I see nothing wrong nutritionally with that specific product. I do think skepticism of companies like Monsanto are warranted though. Massive corporations' chief concern is profits, and therefore the science they fund has an inherent conflict of interests, and they certainly don't have their customers best interests in mind [I view them like I view financial advisers... ready to sell you a product whether or not it's in your best interests to buy].

It's not uncommon to find members on the boards of various scientific associations and food safety regulatory groups having current or past ties with big agriculture. Scientific peer-review is not a perfect system, not even close. Sure studies of the likes of Seralini et. al. get retracted. I do see some issues with the study's design (e,g, sample sizes too small). But, it is of note that that paper got republished elsewhere. From this it appears there is a political-component to what should be objective science. By I digress, the more trust people put into these large biotech companies the higher the probability that a GMO product could prove disastrous to the environment or our health. Maybe it will not happen, but the risk is there. I think skepticism is appropriate, but blatantly non-scientific opposition for opposition's sake is not helpful.

Lastly, I also don't get why GMOs are needed to "feed humanity." There is more than enough food to go around for everyone in the world. It's politics and capitalism that cause people to go to bed hungry.

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Evidence based folks: what is your stance on GMO's and why?

by cappytan in

jw
friends

so, the anti-gmo movement scored another victory today.

chipotle has opted to only use non-gmo food items.. hooray for them.

i'm pretty neutral on the subject, mostly because, other than questionable treatment of farmers, i have seen no evidence to avoid gmo's for health reasons.. basically, my neutrality boils down to the stance that i'll buy non-gmo, so long as the price is reasonable.

cognisonance

And there is a consensus as to the safety of GMO food. To suggest otherwise is to search for the very few antagonists who 'feel' differently. From Scientific American: "The American Association for the Advancement of Science, the World Health Organization and the exceptionally vigilant European Union agree that GMOs are just as safe as other foods

Did you even read the link I posted about the 2015 article, No scientific consensus on GMO safety?

In there it says:

"The joint statement developed and signed by over 300 independent researchers, and reproduced and published below, does not assert that GMOs are unsafe or safe. Rather, the statement concludes that the scarcity and contradictory nature of the scientific evidence published to date prevents conclusive claims of safety, or of lack of safety, of GMOs. Claims of consensus on the safety of GMOs are not supported by an objective analysis of the refereed literature."

And

"A frequently cited claim published on an Internet web-site that several hundred studies ‘document the general safety and nutritional wholesomeness of GM foods and feeds ’ [26] is misleading. Examination of the studies listed reveals that many do not provide evidence of GM food safety and, in fact, some provide evidence of a lack of safety. For example:

Many of the studies are not toxicological animal feeding studies of the type that can provide useful information about health effects of GM food consumption. The list includes animal production studies that examine parameters of interest to the food and agriculture industry, such as milk yield and weight gain [27, 28]; studies on environmental effects of GM crops; and analytical studies of the composition or genetic makeup of the crop.

Among the animal feeding studies and reviews of such studies in the list, a substantial number found toxic effects and signs of toxicity in GM-fed animals compared with controls [29-34]. Concerns raised by these studies have not been satisfactorily addressed and the claim that the body of research shows a consensus over the safety of GM crops and foods is false and irresponsible.

Many of the studies were conducted over short periods compared with the animal’s total lifespan and cannot detect long-term health effects [35,36]."

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Evidence based folks: what is your stance on GMO's and why?

by cappytan in

jw
friends

so, the anti-gmo movement scored another victory today.

chipotle has opted to only use non-gmo food items.. hooray for them.

i'm pretty neutral on the subject, mostly because, other than questionable treatment of farmers, i have seen no evidence to avoid gmo's for health reasons.. basically, my neutrality boils down to the stance that i'll buy non-gmo, so long as the price is reasonable.

cognisonance

I'm not anti-GMO in general, to me it depends on the type of modification (such as golden rice vs round-up ready corn). I do have major concern about pesticides and conventional (GMO or not) crops have shown to have higher levels of pesticides by the time they end up on your plate than Organic produce. By eating mostly organic that means I rarely eat GMOs. It could be that I'm just wasting my money, but I view trying to eat the healthiest produce possible as cheap insurance on my future health.

As regards the evidence for safety here are some recent scientific articles for food for thought:

And in the interest of intellectual honesty, contrast these views with the statements here:

Genetically modified crops: the truth unveiled

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I'm at a loss at how to get thru to my parents. I fear they will die before they will stop shunning me.

by cognisonance in

all i want is this: for us to be a family, to spend time together enjoying life.

i don't wish to debate about their beliefs when together.

they can remain jws for all i care.

cognisonance

Thanks for all the comments everyone. As regards loving myself, I have taken care of that part. I have lots of friends now. Just the other day I drove through an area that I haven't lived in for over 7 years. I then reflected on my life back then and thought, my god I was depressed back then. Then I though, hmm... I didn't think of my self as being depressed when I lived here. While not quite the best articulation of thought, depression is the term I keep coming back to. While in the cult, I never felt happy. I had the guilt of never feeling like I was doing enough, guilt of being content with my life as is (not wanting to reach out more, something my ex always wanted to do), etc.

Now I have intellectual freedom and the lack of guilt. I can explore evolutionary biology to my hearts desire and it's so gratifying to me. Returning to university is a dream that I am now living. Life is wonderful. I say I was depressed when I was in the cult because I can compare how I feel now to how I felt then. I can compare what life is like on the outside.

I feel like Andy Dufresne free and enjoying life on the beach reflecting on my life and how much better it is compared to the Shawshank prison. Life is indeed good for me. I am so happy to be where I am today. Like Andy, I just hope to see my friend Red show up one day.

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JW.org does partial U-turn over Awake! magazine Rama Singh misquote

by Watchtower-Free in

posted on april 19, 2015http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/jw-org-does-partial-u-turn-over-awake-magazine-rama-singh-misquote

jw.org has removed their misquote of rama singh from digital versions of awake!

magazine.

cognisonance

The latest email on the EvolDir mailing list:

Jehovah's Witnesses Respond

Dear EvolDir,

In response to my letter (EvolDir, January 17, 2015) about the
misquotation of my work on evolution by Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) in their
magazine Awake!, making me appear as if I support creationist view of
the origin of life, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania,
the corporation that runs the magazine, has written to inform me that
they have removed the quote from the magazine as it appears on their
website and that the quote will not appear in copies of the magazine
that might be printed in the future.

After my letter appeared on EvolDir I received a large number of
enquiries from ex-Jehovah's Witnesses alerting me about the misquotation.
Ex-JWs have made use of my letter on their websites and internet talk
shows to rebut JWs' stand on creation vs. evolution.

Rama Singh

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JW.org does partial U-turn over Awake! magazine Rama Singh misquote

by Watchtower-Free in

posted on april 19, 2015http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/jw-org-does-partial-u-turn-over-awake-magazine-rama-singh-misquote

jw.org has removed their misquote of rama singh from digital versions of awake!

magazine.

cognisonance

In addition to the signed letter on the previous page, here is a link to the old version with the out of context quote:

http://www.jwnationwide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/g_E_2015011.pdf

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JW.org does partial U-turn over Awake! magazine Rama Singh misquote

by Watchtower-Free in

posted on april 19, 2015http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/jw-org-does-partial-u-turn-over-awake-magazine-rama-singh-misquote

jw.org has removed their misquote of rama singh from digital versions of awake!

magazine.

cognisonance

Here is a signed copy of the letter:

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Devouring the Forbidden Fruit - Higher Education

by cappytan in

jw
friends

well, i told my wife over the weekend i was going to go back school to finish my degree.

she is 100% supportive of it!

apparently she doesn't think higher education is so evil either.. since my former major was computer programming and that was in the late 1990's, i was told i'd have to retake a bunch of classes since times have changed.

cognisonance

Cappytan,

I too have found biology fascinating, specifically evolutionary biology. My purpose in part for going back is for learning more about the intersection of computer science and biology (plus statistics and mathematics): Bioinformatics.

You might find you are able to learn about biology and use your programming skills. It seems about half of those entering Bioinformatics are biologists, and the other half computer scientists.

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Awake January 2015: How did life begin? - More misquotes

by Designer Stubble in

[quote]some might assume that a scientifically-minded person would pick evolution and that a religious person would pick creation.

but not always.. rama singh, professor of biology at canadas mcmaster university, says: the opposition to evolution goes beyond religious fundamentalism and includes a great many people from educated sections of the population.[/quote].

end-of-quote in awake.

cognisonance

I have a signed copy of Rama Singh's open letter if anyone needs to dispel doubts over the authenticity of this newsletter. It's just a print out of his receipt of the letter from the evoldir mailing list from which he originally submitted it to. He signed it for me. I didn't doubt he wrote the letter, but I suspect some JWs may question it. If anyone needs it just send me a message.

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No One Should Be Made to Choose..LIES from July 09 Awake

by Hopscotch in

the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

in the july 2009 awake p29:

no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

cognisonance

Bumping for those new to this site.

Also, anyone have success with pointing this out to family members? Any accusations about quoting out of context (a valid concern since if out of context that poses a problem, something often complained about when it comes to the evolution vs. creation articles JWs publish). One might argue the context is written about the general public changing religions (among false religion to false religion, or false to true, but never true to false [or no religion]). Still, any such argument about out of context would only be an implied context, an unwritten meme amongst JWs. So saying it's out of context is a bit of a stretch. Also consider the article is written for the general public primarily and as such gives the impression JWs are open minded and reasonable (then bait and switch when one wants to leave...).