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Oh Freddie.... meowww (Are Cats for Christians?)
by Stacey in
1. jw
2. friends
i found this and i had to share..... (with permission from the author of course).. are cats for christians?.

(completely fiction, but shows how anything can be manipulated into wtbts reasoning) .

by dave.
siveld

My response to the CATS article:
I humbly accept the admonishment which you have so
thoughtfully provided to us who have mistakenly allowed one of these demonic
creatures to infiltrate our lives.
To think of the number of times I have put off my diligent pre-study of the
Watchtower because my cat was on my lap and I did not want to disturb him in
order to get the magazines in order to partake of their spiritual feasts.
Surely Satan has used these contemptible creatures in many similar ways to
affect the preaching work also; how many pioneers have cut short a long day
of faithful field service with the excuse "oh I have to get home to feed the
cat".
No doubt the society will shortly be updating and reprinting it's entire
catalogue of spiritual food in order to erase all drawings and photographs
which depict these dastardly servants of Satan, namely the lions which can
be seen being hugged by innocent children in the new system.
All faithful servants of Jehovah will doubtless be inspired to dispose of
all their old literature and purchase the new! There will most likely be a
call for new ones to go to Bethel to assist in the work involved.
Surely Jehovah works in humbling and mysterious ways; this new light will
surely inspire many to greater devotion. I can even envisage Christian
congregations disposing of their felines in a mass sacrifice at the back of
their Kingdom Halls; joyfully tossing the horrid creatures into drums of
lighted paper and kero as they loudly sing Kingdom songs in praise of their
fearless creator.
Jehovah would surely also smile upon the new public talk outlines which are
surely in the pipeline, reminding the brothers and sisters that certain
common expressions are no longer acceptable to loyal Christians. These will
doubtless include the following:
- "cat got your tongue?";
- "missed it by a whisker";
- "the cat's out of the bag", and
- "been getting any pussy?".
Perhaps the carcasses of the slaughtered felines could be shipped en masse
to Brooklyn; this would no doubt delight the brothers on the Governing Body
as an expression of the devotion of their faithful followers.
Gotta go now; the cat's at the door and I've got to let him in.
Catch ya
Dave
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Oh Freddie.... meowww (Are Cats for Christians?)
by Stacey in
1. jw
2. friends
i found this and i had to share..... (with permission from the author of course).. are cats for christians?.

(completely fiction, but shows how anything can be manipulated into wtbts reasoning) .

by dave.
siveld

My response to the CATS article:
I humbly accept the admonishment which you have so
thoughtfully provided to us who have mistakenly allowed one of these demonic
creatures to infiltrate our lives.
To think of the number of times I have put off my diligent pre-study of the
Watchtower because my cat was on my lap and I did not want to disturb him in
order to get the magazines in order to partake of their spiritual feasts.
Surely Satan has used these contemptible creatures in many similar ways to
affect the preaching work also; how many pioneers have cut short a long day
of faithful field service with the excuse "oh I have to get home to feed the
cat".
No doubt the society will shortly be updating and reprinting it's entire
catalogue of spiritual food in order to erase all drawings and photographs
which depict these dastardly servants of Satan, namely the lions which can
be seen being hugged by innocent children in the new system.
All faithful servants of Jehovah will doubtless be inspired to dispose of
all their old literature and purchase the new! There will most likely be a
call for new ones to go to Bethel to assist in the work involved.
Surely Jehovah works in humbling and mysterious ways; this new light will
surely inspire many to greater devotion. I can even envisage Christian
congregations disposing of their felines in a mass sacrifice at the back of
their Kingdom Halls; joyfully tossing the horrid creatures into drums of
lighted paper and kero as they loudly sing Kingdom songs in praise of their
fearless creator.
Jehovah would surely also smile upon the new public talk outlines which are
surely in the pipeline, reminding the brothers and sisters that certain
common expressions are no longer acceptable to loyal Christians. These will
doubtless include the following:
- "cat got your tongue?";
- "missed it by a whisker";
- "the cat's out of the bag", and
- "been getting any pussy?".
Perhaps the carcasses of the slaughtered felines could be shipped en masse
to Brooklyn; this would no doubt delight the brothers on the Governing Body
as an expression of the devotion of their faithful followers.
Gotta go now; the cat's at the door and I've got to let him in.
Catch ya
Dave
90
POLL - Elders vs Molesters
by Amazing in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i wish to conduct a legitimate poll, or at least as legitimate as it can get on this forum.

unless you are or were a jw, please do not respond or make comments.

please simply give an answer, without extended comments.
siveld

None.
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Sat. Dist. Conv.--Cracking the whip!
by LostMyReligion in
1. jw
2. friends
i have put in my final day at this year's test of posterior endurance---saturday at the district convention, 2001. i took quite a few notes today, because some had specifically asked about saturday's program.

i hope all will be suitably edified by them.

do not just listen to bits and pieces of the program, but to the whole thing.
siveld

I just wanted to make a few comments on the changed TMS format.
It appears to me that they are clutching at straws to get people to participate in the school.
Will they give thre student a mark in the new book? Will the school everseer make public comment on the talk at all? If not, how will a student know when they have 'passed' a particular quality?
In my day, the 1st talk was always from the Bible, and you had to do an intro and conclusion, within exactly 5 minutes (always fearing the gong reaper!). Am I to understand that the talk is now from either the Bible or the Watchtower? If no intro or conclusion are now required, surely they are hoping to get more takers, as no preparaton or research will be necessary.
As far as the written review goes, my experience always was that this was done as an 'open book' exercise, regardless of contrary instructions in the Society's publications. This of course had the desired effect of more people turning up for the meeting when the written review was due. Was this the general experience, or did most congs insist on 'closed book' written reviews?
I wonder if the time will come when the TMS/Service Meeting is abandoned entirely, or tacked onto the Sunday meeting. Are they yet running out of willing and/or capable public speakers?
Any comments on these matters would be appreciated.
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Exorcise Me
by hippikon in
1. jw
2. friends
need help bad.

i think i have the demon of apostasy please someone exorcise me.

yesterday my black sabath cds jumped up and ran out of the room.
siveld

Methinks you is a little bit PARANOID.
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The Poor JW Children
by larc in
1. jw
2. friends
the children.

there are many things that could be changed, and even though i would never go back, i think there are some very basic changes they could make in their child rearing practices, simple changes that would make a big difference in their society.. 1. don't force small children to sit for two hours in a chair.. this was discussed at length on the thread about slapping children at the kingdom hall.. 2. don't bring children to meetings where the subject has to do with adult sexual practices.. 3. don't tell teenagers that they can't ask someone out for a date unless marriage is on their mind.. 4. don't tell them that they are not special, that they have to humble themselves and be like everyone else.. 5. don't tell them they have to get good grades through high school as a reflection of what jehovah has given them and then tell them they can't go to college when they graduate from high school at the top of their class.. 6. don't tell your wordly neighbors that you give your children presents all through the year, but not on their birthday, when they have never seen a special gift wrapped present in their life.. 7. don't expect a shy child to enjoy going from door to door and don't expect an extroverted, lively child to sit still at meetings.. 8. don't tell an inquiring child not to ask questions and don't tell them not to read interesting books.. 9. don't surprised if you don't change your ways that your children will leave you, even though they love you.
siveld

Lurker
I was actually directing my comments to Seaken2001 and trevor, not to you.
DLJ is as aware as the rest of us that Jehovah does not give cash handouts to those who fail to utilise the gifts he has given them - in other words:
The Lord helps those who help themselves!
Belittling guys like DLJ is not going to help them, in either the short or long term, which is what this site is all about. Constructive comments are the best way to go.
Doodlings from DaveDownunder.
65
The Poor JW Children
by larc in
1. jw
2. friends
the children.

there are many things that could be changed, and even though i would never go back, i think there are some very basic changes they could make in their child rearing practices, simple changes that would make a big difference in their society.. 1. don't force small children to sit for two hours in a chair.. this was discussed at length on the thread about slapping children at the kingdom hall.. 2. don't bring children to meetings where the subject has to do with adult sexual practices.. 3. don't tell teenagers that they can't ask someone out for a date unless marriage is on their mind.. 4. don't tell them that they are not special, that they have to humble themselves and be like everyone else.. 5. don't tell them they have to get good grades through high school as a reflection of what jehovah has given them and then tell them they can't go to college when they graduate from high school at the top of their class.. 6. don't tell your wordly neighbors that you give your children presents all through the year, but not on their birthday, when they have never seen a special gift wrapped present in their life.. 7. don't expect a shy child to enjoy going from door to door and don't expect an extroverted, lively child to sit still at meetings.. 8. don't tell an inquiring child not to ask questions and don't tell them not to read interesting books.. 9. don't surprised if you don't change your ways that your children will leave you, even though they love you.
siveld

DrivesLikeJehu
Happy birthday! And i'm not being facetious. I know that it feels good to hear it said, even if you don't openly celebrate it.
You are in the prime of your life, and have a good head on your shoulders. Many 21 year olds have no plans for the future at all, and hence accomplish little in life.
Ignore the whiners who have the temerity to judge your spirituality - we know that the scriptures give them no right to do so; in fact, they are usurping the authority of Christ.
Enjoy your studies, enjoy your friends, and continue to post on this site and to read what others have to say. We are all (well mostly all) here to help one another. Cheers!
DaveDownunder.
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GOOD cult control techniques
by philo in
1. jw
2. friends
with logical's post in mind, i want to start a thread about something positive.

the wt are positively good at controlling their followers.. which is your favourite wt control technique, and why??????????.

the best contibution wins six million devoted worshippers and a 40 year conditional canonisation in the pages of the wt.. the one i like is so good because it works from 'on high' as well as among the orphans and widows at the congregation.
siveld

There is definite merit in all of the cult control techniques that have been mentioned. it is my belief, however, that the number 1 technique has yet to be mentioned.
FEAR
Fear of annihilation, or eternal cutting-off (sounds like a Bobbit trick!) at Armageddon. If you are not nestled safely in the arms of 'mother' when the big A comes, you've had it. And, even worse, so have your innocent children, who will no longer come under your protection. To lose a child is every parents' worst nightmare. This fear alone can cause a person to put aside doubts.
Fear of shunning in the event of disfellowshipment - for many witnesses have no friends outside the society. This is even worse of course for those whose families comprise mainly JW's.
Fear of your friends and family! yes, just like in Orwell's '1984', or Hitler's Third reich, they are all potential spies and backstabbers. Witnesses are ENCOURAGED and told they they will themselves be BLOODGUILTY if they don't dob in to the elders anyone who may have confided in them anything untheocratic or slightly suspect (such as doubts about 'big mother').
FEAR that you are not doing enough, that you are not absolutely, 100% , whole-souled, in Jehovah's sacred service. Nobody is assured of salvation, and less than 100%+ will mean that you are BLOODGUILTY and sure to die when the big a comes.
FEAR FEAR FEAR
No wonder they are such joyful people.
greetings from DaveDownunder (now living without fear).
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The Poor JW Children
by larc in
1. jw
2. friends
the children.

there are many things that could be changed, and even though i would never go back, i think there are some very basic changes they could make in their child rearing practices, simple changes that would make a big difference in their society.. 1. don't force small children to sit for two hours in a chair.. this was discussed at length on the thread about slapping children at the kingdom hall.. 2. don't bring children to meetings where the subject has to do with adult sexual practices.. 3. don't tell teenagers that they can't ask someone out for a date unless marriage is on their mind.. 4. don't tell them that they are not special, that they have to humble themselves and be like everyone else.. 5. don't tell them they have to get good grades through high school as a reflection of what jehovah has given them and then tell them they can't go to college when they graduate from high school at the top of their class.. 6. don't tell your wordly neighbors that you give your children presents all through the year, but not on their birthday, when they have never seen a special gift wrapped present in their life.. 7. don't expect a shy child to enjoy going from door to door and don't expect an extroverted, lively child to sit still at meetings.. 8. don't tell an inquiring child not to ask questions and don't tell them not to read interesting books.. 9. don't surprised if you don't change your ways that your children will leave you, even though they love you.
siveld

My experience with the JW's showed that the effect on children varies between congregations. In a larger congregation, with more kids and teens, there are of course more opportunites for normal interaction. They hence develop more life skills, and 'some' ability to deal with the opposite sex.
Coversely, in a small congregation (such as in a country town), there is little opportunity for these skills to be developed.
Kids need to be accepted by at least some peers; human beings are social, not solitary, creatures.
Those of you who are still active in congregations, such as our friend DrivesLikeJehu, should be encouraged to interact with their peers.
Older witnesses should actively promote social gatherings and outings for their kids. There are plenty of wholesome activities out there, and the society does encourage a balanced lifestyle including recreation!
DaveDownunder
97
Hello...Hello...Hello (cont) #3
by Prisca in
1. social
2. relationships
well someone had to do it, so it might as well be prim & proper prisca to do the honors in the sex forum...... .

this thread is for all newbies to introduce yourselves.

whatever you feel happy to reveal about yourself.
siveld

Greetings all, from the land down under.
I am new to this forum, and wanted to respond to the young man who posted 'the story of my life'.
I think that any current JW who reads or posts on a site like this, and thus going against WT 'advice' (recently re-inforced in Our Kingdom Ministry', must be questioning the society to some degree.
That forums such as this make it possible for questioning ones to communicate with other like-minded ones in the privacy of their own homes is a great thing, and is a significant factor in the decline in WT growth figures in the western world.
Seekers after truth will not find it in WT publications, and I encourage all to search forums such as this and H20 with an open mind; remembering the admonishment of the apostle to "make sure of all things".
When you do accept that the society is not, and never has been, what it claims to be (ie God's mouthpiece) you will begin the arduous task of getting free from it's stranglehold. This can take longer, depending on the degree of family involvement and the length of time you were involved. But the struggle for real freedom is definitely worth it!.
I will post my own story and background when I can put it together in my own mind, but in the meantime I am happy to communicate with the poster of the topic, or indeed anyone, privately. Feel free.
Siveld.