Your probably right, however i would not be viewing the issue objectively.
IMO, on the contrary, I think you would then be viewing it much more objectively. It is not a cold, dispassionate issue, and it never should be.
i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
Your probably right, however i would not be viewing the issue objectively.
IMO, on the contrary, I think you would then be viewing it much more objectively. It is not a cold, dispassionate issue, and it never should be.
i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
janh, what do you have against revenge?
True revenge, targeted revenge, has a certain equivalency that I would think appeals to you math types .
i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
....by killing another human for whatever reason, we are as bad as this man.
What a truly sick and perverted view of life and death you take, IMO.
Somehow, I can't help but thinking in the real world, beyond the cushy world of philosophical debate, you think and act quite differently. Somehow, I can't see you, in real life, viewing the executioner the same as the executed.
And if the victim were someone you loved, I'd be especially surprised to see you make that statement.
i just happened on this place a few days ago, and thought i would stop in to see what it was all about.
it claims to be a jehovah's witness forum, which it is not.. dont want to come here and point fingers, as i am sure there are some good people in here, just seems the bad have followed the good.
i guess in reality thats always the case, but hey, what else would these people do if they couldn't wage their little war on the truth.
Redline, you said,
I do refer to the truth, not as a social community, but in reference to the religion that I practice.
That is exactly what I was refering to. If you want to be an honest person, you can't go about calling the Jehovah's Witness religion the "truth". Truth is far to important a word, especially for those who believe in God, to be abused that way. I hate to say it, but when you know something isn't the truth, yet you call it that, you are a liar. I'm sure you don't want to think of yourself as a liar.
i just happened on this place a few days ago, and thought i would stop in to see what it was all about.
it claims to be a jehovah's witness forum, which it is not.. dont want to come here and point fingers, as i am sure there are some good people in here, just seems the bad have followed the good.
i guess in reality thats always the case, but hey, what else would these people do if they couldn't wage their little war on the truth.
Redline, welcome to the discussions. I was a JW all my life, up to just a few months ago (technically still am). I can honestly say that the primary reason I am not associated anymore, is the misuse of the word "truth" that you, me, and all JW's engaged in.
The real question for you, is are YOU one of the "good ones" you mention? If the word "truth" is just another word for what you call your social community, ie. Jehovah's Witnesses, then you are not one of the good ones.
I love the company of truth seekers. I'm not miserable in the least. Perhaps your post was not directed towards anyone like myself. Care to clarify?
are you angry?
disappointed?
disgusted with a corrupt.
Teejay,
I don't think it happened as a
rule, though.
Yeah, certainly not, by any stretch, to the extent mentioned in the story. Don't know why truth is so important to me lately.
are you angry?
disappointed?
disgusted with a corrupt.
Metatron, I agree with you about DAing oneself being part of their game.
I can't help but think the cute french ball bearing story is an urban legend, however. If not that, a french guys way of making himself feel better. Not that I judge someone harshly who would work for a enemy manufacturer under threat of death anymore.
Perhaps they could slow production down a tad now and then, but mess around too much, and I'm sure the Kommandant would just shoot you in the head. The quality control guy was no doubt German too. He no doubt carried a gun as well.
I'm guessing the writer of this clever little teaching tool is my favorite CO in an alternate existence. No doubt came up with this after watching that Hogans Hero episode with this in the storyline. He loves these stories!
Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm gonna feel pretty stupid, but the worst that will happen is it will be substantiated and I will get a history lesson.
sociology is fascinating.. here at this board we have a subculture of a subculture, similar to bears (gay hairy men) who are also a subculture of a subculture.. i participate in boards for both groups and they are remarkably similar.
there are the people who post long drawn out posts pontificating about this or that.
there are snipers who do nothing but try to derail threads.
Truth is indeed funnier than fiction.
Very funny Joel. Hey, I was wondering, I do some marketing work for Dr. J. Schmuethlichters' Laser hair removal clinic. Do you think you might see about getting me some ad space on that other board you post to?
cybersex: real or fantasy!.
i would like to tell you good people a story and when i'm finished i would appreciate your honest opinion as i know you wouldn't give me anything less.
my wife and i have been fighting about a situation which recently arose in our home.
It's real.
But it's not.
You two are in a big grey area.
She's right that it is like when you look at pictures of women.
You are right that it is not (exactly) like that.
She is right that "that's what you're here for" (a sex rush while online/viewing pics).
You're right that she could meet up with this guy.
All the other people are right that these thing do tend to move on to real life sex. (kinda like the ole wts said about holding hands; technically they were right)
She talks to, and fantasizes about, another person doing sexual things to her.
You look at, and fantasize about, another person doing sexual things to you.
I think you two have a tuff road ahead, but maybe it is just the road that, realistically, every couple in this modern age is going to have to face. You are going to have to figure out exactly what level of sexual "loyalty*" (for lack of a better word) you are going to agree to in your relationship.
When you turned to porn, that is a step away from most** peoples view of absolute sexual "loyalty" to their marriage mate. Yet many people consider that the norm for married men. You may argue that it is morally ok, or that she knew that about it all along. What you can not argue is that your looking at porn is absolute sexual loyalty to her.
It may be that you two will disagree about how to solve this. She may just want you to get comfortable with it. You have to solve it, one way or the other. Obviously you can't go through life keyed up about this all the time. Well, I suppose you could, but that is not life, that is hell.
She may have been fine to just decide on absolute sexual loyalty before she tried this. She may feel differently now.
As Janh said, "Any woman thinking a man -- any man -- goes through life thinking of sex with her only is seriously deluding herself". And vice versa. So "absolute sexual loyalty" is a pipe dream anyway. Which means one has to at least negotiate from the knowledge that sexual thoughts about other people will at least be part of your partners sexuality.
Me thinks your problems go way deeper than sex. I'd say get some help in the form of a dispasionate 3rd party family counselor. You guys are definitely going to need a referee for this game.
*fidelity seemed to easy to split hairs about
**guess I can't really speak for most. maybe most witnesses?
has anyone seen some of the movies that's just come out?
evolution and swordfish looks interesting to me.. reviews?.
"it is not so much that you use your mind wrongly--you usually don't use it at all.
edited to be a kinder, gentler six.