Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Apostates on the loose? Glasgow Convention 2015

by 88JM in

jw
friends

so each of the attendants at the glasgow convention this weekend have all been handed a photo of some guy that has been disrupting conventions in the uk.

(the same one as in london i read about a couple of weeks ago?

apparently he was sighted at the glasgow convention today, though there was no disruption as far as i know.. has anyone else ever heard of photo i.d.

notsurewheretogo

Yeah Sanderson gave the Friday afternoon talk about inactive JWs - I was having a snooze. His talks are being relayed to other UK conventions happening this weekend.
That's interesting notsurewheretogo - I haven't heard anyone openly discussing the protester, but it was mentioned to attendants early in the morning.
Is your friend with the G4S Hydro staff or just the regular JW bouncers? I can imagine the G4S folks would probably be less concerned about a crazy protester as they probably consider all the JWs a bit crazy.

Ironically the guy next to me was snoozing through his talk! My friend is a JW bouncer guarding Mark Sanderson...the guy with the beard was pretty much stalked by 2 heavies...

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Angus Stewart calls the JW religion a captive organization

by oppostate in

if you watched the questioning of terrence o'brien by angus stewart at day 7 part 3 on youtube--thanks so much for uploading these videos--you'll see that mr. stewart puts quite clearly to brother o'brien that the jw 0rganization is a "captive organization".. he makes this reference regarding the practice of da/df'ing and shunning, which he mentions is the one thing that makes ex-jw's the most angry.

because insisting on shunning ex-members causes psychological trauma and separates people from their family, friends and their community of support; therefore, they are held captive by the organization if they don't want to lose those most dear to them.. i believe angus stewart is to be commended for seeing clearly what the wt/jw religion is truly like in practice, and it isn't pretty.. the term "captive organization" is usually used in finance to mean a business front, a legal veil that shields the parent company from liability and having to make big insurance payouts.

for example if the australian branch gets sued and loses, the "wt australia" corporation will pay the amount awarded by the judge to the complainant.

notsurewheretogo

Angus Stewart said it was a "captive organisation" in reference to abuse...a person who has been abused by a JW but wants to leave cannot do so without massive consequences of losing family/friends/support thus they are held "captive" in the organisation that they don't want to be in and may have to face their abuser.

Angus sees it exactly as it is, it is inhuman.

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Regional Convention in Scotland

by The Searcher in

jw
friends

walking towards my seat after lunch, i made eye-contact with a j.w.

male walking towards me.

as we were passing, he smiled and said 'hello', so i replied with, 'hello'.. well, if a member of the g.b.

notsurewheretogo

"Is your life really any better since stopping association with JW's?"...Yes out loud I said to the surprise of those seated next to me...............
That's freaking hilarious

Well it is true but JW's think you end up suicidal when you leave...even my still-in wife comments how happier and relaxed I am...THAT is the answer to Mr GB's question...although when Mark said there may be inactive ones in the audience who need encouragement I felt 100 eyes on me...I'm like "I choose to be inactive for very definite reasons so leave me alone! I have not drifted"!

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Apostates on the loose? Glasgow Convention 2015

by 88JM in

jw
friends

so each of the attendants at the glasgow convention this weekend have all been handed a photo of some guy that has been disrupting conventions in the uk.

(the same one as in london i read about a couple of weeks ago?

apparently he was sighted at the glasgow convention today, though there was no disruption as far as i know.. has anyone else ever heard of photo i.d.

notsurewheretogo

Interesting, I'm here for the three days and my friend works on security (which is at insane levels with the GB guy here) but heard nowt about an apostate...saying that there is a weird guy going around with a very long beard and he looks well dodgy...

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Regional Convention in Scotland

by The Searcher in

jw
friends

walking towards my seat after lunch, i made eye-contact with a j.w.

male walking towards me.

as we were passing, he smiled and said 'hello', so i replied with, 'hello'.. well, if a member of the g.b.

notsurewheretogo

Is that this weekend? Damn I could have come and support the apostate army if I had known! Since I only live 26 miles away!

Lol not sure about an "army" as there may only be me and The Searcher..but yeah today was the first day...my friend works in security and I'm gonna try and get a few words with Mark Sanderson, mostly about the Royal Commission in Australia if I'm being honest...

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Regional Convention in Scotland

by The Searcher in

jw
friends

walking towards my seat after lunch, i made eye-contact with a j.w.

male walking towards me.

as we were passing, he smiled and said 'hello', so i replied with, 'hello'.. well, if a member of the g.b.

notsurewheretogo

Wow. They believe in faith healing now do they?

I kid you not that is what happened...on the morning talk on prayer...I wad rather miffed at it because it generally makes people wonder why Jehoover doesn't cure their illness and they then get depressed...the experience was the person had a medical issue, she prayed when she couldn't take anymore and then ALL her medical issue cleared up and she thanked Jehoover.

My wife caught me shaking my head at this bit.

Then there was Mark Sanderson talk on returning to Jehoover when you are inactive and he asked a rhetorical question to those inactive, "Is your life really any better since stopping association with JW's?"...Yes out loud I said to the surprise of those seated next to me and my wife's annoyed look...hehe...he did ask.

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Regional Convention in Scotland

by The Searcher in

jw
friends

walking towards my seat after lunch, i made eye-contact with a j.w.

male walking towards me.

as we were passing, he smiled and said 'hello', so i replied with, 'hello'.. well, if a member of the g.b.

notsurewheretogo

I might say after sitting through this 3-day assembly, I will say that this was probably the most thought-controlling, thought-inducing, manipulative assemblies of all time. Seems like they are really tightening the leg irons.

That is what I thought too after the first day! The security around the GB guy was just over the top...I had a real urge to storm the platform when he was on and shout things about TTATT...for some strange reason...

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Regional Convention in Scotland

by The Searcher in

jw
friends

walking towards my seat after lunch, i made eye-contact with a j.w.

male walking towards me.

as we were passing, he smiled and said 'hello', so i replied with, 'hello'.. well, if a member of the g.b.

notsurewheretogo

I'm here in Glasgow for 3 days in the guise of helping families...my friend is on security and I asked why the heavy mob and I learnt it was indeed Mark Sanderson...I watched him in his talk...he is so fat in the head...it is massive!

Barring that there were things that annoyed me...the emotional video of someone who was inactive thinking about returning was pathetic, all emotion based...also there was an experience of a sister with a foot issue who said she prayed to Jehoover that she had "had enough"...then all the medical issues she had went away...you CANT say that from the platform...that means all those who DONT have their medial issues cured are going to assume they are not faithful. From the platform you are supposed to say Jehoover helps by the congregation, by bible study and association NOT by divinely intervening in your medical issues as that is simply untrue.

It is also unbreathable air in the arena so I took our kids outside to play...

If there are anymore here tomorrow that know TTATT I'm happy to meet up for an "apostate" chat!

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"Whether These Appear Sound From a Strategic or Human Standpoint or Not." - What do YOU think?

by jw07 in

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/.

paragraph 17.

"at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

notsurewheretogo

I think you are looking too much into it, the GB are "in", they believe in the concept that they are chosen by God and that very soon the End will start...they expect divine instructions to be passed to them and they will then pass that on to the R&F...

And they want the R&F to follow those instructions no matter what...I don't think they know what the divine instructions are or will be thus I don't believe that are planning anything, they are just preparing for The End...I don't expect any wacky rules like "Run to the hills" etc...

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Is the Commisioner aware that there are internal rules vs what they are being given?

by thedepressedsoul in

i have been following the events taken place in australia and i cannot help but notice that the jw's are feeding them a bunch of bull.

it reminds me of the faq on jw.org.

we all know there is a very different internal view/teaching than the jw.org faq would lead you to believe.

notsurewheretogo

A load of us have emailed Angus Stewart about the "theocratic warfare" used by the JW's to allow lying and deception.