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  If you had the means to kill a terrorist before he detonated would you ?

  by Chook in

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  i mean blow their fucking brains out..

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  notsurewheretogo

  I'd kill everyone in this world that has the intention to purposefully kill innocent people and follow through on it.
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  The New terroists That The World have To Confront What is the Answer ?

  by smiddy in

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  this latest attack in manchester u.k. targeting a venue attended by mainly children and teenagers who go to a concert by their favorite singer and then to be attacked by a terroist has to be the last straw... surely ?

  22 dead at last count mainly young girls enjoying a concert of their favourite singer ?

  and at least 50 others suffering injuries ?.

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  The second biggest branch of Islam (Shia) is every bit as anti-ISIS as the west is. Same could be said for other groups (Ibadi, Kurdish, etc). It is worth bearing that in mind.
  The vast, vast majority of musilms are anti-isis. Just as well really as if they weren't, and things were really as some on here say they are we would have a serious problem because there's a billion of the buggers.

  Maybe true but if only 1% agree with ISIS interpretation then that is 16 million people in the world who believe me and my young children should have our heads cut off.

  It doesn't matter how many of them are anti-ISIS...it is how many that are pro that is the worry.

  The issue is allowing 16 million people to live in a society where they believe I must die violently because I do not share their belief.

  Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

  Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

  Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

  Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun
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  Did you ever have a discussion with an apostate that helped your journey out.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there seems to be a number of different ways that apostates try to get jehovah's witnesses realise they do not have the truth, ranging from subtle comments to aggressive attacks.

  do you have any that looking back helped you finally leave.

  some of the methods include:.

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  notsurewheretogo

  None of the aggressive methods work for me...can't see them working for 99% of folks.

  Lurking on forums, reading, studying, and putting piece by piece together realizing the JW's do not have "the truth" was the key for me...

  Cedars site before he came out was very neutral and balanced, jwfacts.com of course but Ray Franz' book and especially Don Cameron's Captives to a Concept was a great influence on me getting out.
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  Someone Tell Satan to Stop Tampering With Evidence Please!

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  fantastic find on ancient human remains.

  wish satan would stop doing this as clearly humans have only been on this planet 6,000 years!.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39842975.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Fantastic find on ancient human remains. Wish Satan would stop doing this as clearly humans have only been on this planet 6,000 years!

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39842975

  A new haul of ancient human remains has been described from an important cave site in South Africa.

  The finds, including a well-preserved skull, bolster the idea that the Homo naledi people deliberately deposited their dead in the cave.

  Evidence of such complex behaviour is surprising for a human species with a brain that's a third the size of ours.

  Despite showing some primitive traits it lived relatively recently, perhaps as little as 235,000 years ago.

  That would mean the naledi people could have overlapped with the earliest of our kind - Homo sapiens.

  In a slew of papers published in the journal eLife, Prof Lee Berger from the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, Prof John Hawks from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, US, and their collaborators have outlined details of the new specimens and, importantly, ages for the remains.

  The H. naledi story starts in 2013, when the remains of almost 15 individuals of various ages were discovered inside the Dinaledi chamber - part of South Africa's Rising Star Cave system.

  At the same time, the researchers were exploring a second chamber about 100m away, known as Lesedi ("light" in the Setswana language which is spoken in the region).

  Image captionThe Lesedi chamber yielded the remains of two adults and a child

  The finds from Dinaledi were published in 2015, but remains from the Lesedi chamber had not previously been presented, until now.

  The latest specimens include the remains of at least three individuals - two adults and a child.

  One of the adults has a "wonderfully complete skull", according to Prof Hawks. This tough-looking specimen is probably male, and has been named "Neo", which means "a gift" in the Sesotho language of southern Africa.

  Examination of its limb bones shows that it was equally comfortable climbing and walking.

  The fact that Homo naledi was alive at the same time and in the same region of Africa as early forms of Homo sapiens gives us an insight into the huge diversity of different human forms in existence during the Late Pleistocene.

  "Here in southern Africa, in this time range, you have the Florisbad skull, which may be an ancestor or close relative of modern humans; you've got the Kabwe skull, which is some kind of archaic human and possibly quite divergent; you've got evidence from modern people's genomes that archaic lineages have been contributing to modern populations and may have existed until quite recently," said Prof Hawks.

  Image captionH. naledi (R) seems to have shared southern Africa with distinct human species, such as Kabwe man (L)

  "You have this very primitive form of Homo [naledi] that has survived alongside these other species for a million years or more. It is amazing the diversity that we are now seeing that we had missed before."

  As to how H. naledi held on to its distinctive characteristics while living cheek-by-jowl with other human species, Prof Hawks said: "It's hard to say it was geographic isolation because there's no boundary - no barrier. It's the same landscape from here to Tanzania; we're in one continuous savannah, woodland-type habitat.

  He added that the human-sized teeth probably reflected a diet like that of modern humans. In addition, H. naledi had limb proportions just like ours and there is no apparent reason why it could not have used stone tools.

  "It doesn't look like they're in a different ecological niche. That's weird; it's a problem. This is not a situation where we can point to them and say: 'They co-existed because they're using resources differently'," Prof Hawks told BBC News.

  Image captionNeo (R) is even more complete than the famous Lucy skeleton from Ethiopia (L)

  The researchers say that finding the remains of multiple individuals in a separate chamber bolsters the idea that Homo naledi was caching its dead. If correct, this surprising - and controversial claim - hints at an intelligent mind and, perhaps, the stirrings of culture.

  By dating the site, researchers have sought to clear up some of the puzzles surrounding the remains.

  In 2015, Prof Berger told BBC News that the remains could be up to three million years old based on their primitive characteristics. Yet the bones are only lightly mineralised, which raised the possibility that they might not be very ancient (although this is not always an accurate guide).

  In order to arrive at an age, the team dated the bones themselves, sediments on the cave floor and flowstones - carbonate minerals formed when water runs down the wall or along the floor of a cave.

  Several techniques were used: optically stimulated luminescence to date the cave sediments, uranium-thorium dating and palaeomagnetic analyses for the flowstones and combined U-series and electron spin resonance (US-ESR) for dating three naledi teeth.

  By combining results together, they were able to constrain the age of the Homo naledi remains to between 236,000 and 335,000 years ago.

  Image copyrightMARINA ELLIOTTImage captionTeam members stand near one of the entrances to the Rising Star cave system

  "We've got a geological bracket based on flowstones overlying the fossils and we've had direct dates on the teeth themselves," said John Hawks.

  The team sent samples to two separate labs to perform their analyses "blind". This meant that neither lab knew what the other was doing, or what their analytical approaches were. Despite this, they returned the same results.

  "This is now the best dated site in southern Africa - we threw everything at it," said John Hawks.

  Many mysteries remain about this intriguing member of the human family tree. Not least of them is H. naledi's evolutionary history up until the point the remains show up in the Rising Star cave system.

  Researchers currently envisage two possibilities. The first is that H. naledi represents one of these earliest branches of Homo - perhaps something like Homo habilis. It retains a rather primitive anatomy while evolving in parallel with the branch of the human family tree that eventually results in modern humans.

  The other possibility is that it diverged more than a million years ago from a more advanced form of Homo - perhaps Homo erectus - and then reverted to a more primitive form in some aspects of its skull and teeth.
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  Not Inspired?

  by kairos in

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  2. friends

  the head, jesus christ, supplies the body members with what is needed for good cooperation, coordination, and spiritual nourishment.

  in such respects, the governing body is organized to take the lead as jehovah directs them by holy spirit.. 2008 wt 5/15 pg 29. the party's over....

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  notsurewheretogo

  So with the recent WT stating that the GB are NOT inspired, are NOT infalliable and may get teachings and policies WRONG yet Jehovah is directing them via Holy Spirt.

  Huh...come again?

  So Jehovah is the git that taught that Millions Now Living Will Never Die and is wrong?

  So Jehovah is the git that taught that this Generation Will be No Means Pass Away?
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  Be ready to obey!!

  by kairos in

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  2. friends

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/.

  from paragraph 17-. at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

  all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.. i think i know what the instructions will be.it's nothing new.

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  notsurewheretogo

  It should have read:

  "At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization (which is not inspired, not infallible and may be wrong)..."
  
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  what is the craziest book the dubbers ever published?

  by dogon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was wondering what book is the nuttiest they ever printed?

  i know there are several in contention for first place but which is your vote for no 1?

  also if you don't mind post a bit of what is in the book you pick to show why you picked it.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Has to be:

  From 1920 WT publication "Talking with the Dead":

  p. 116 Materializations
  "These materializations occur by a power which the demons posess of being able to draw out of the mediums body connected streams of the cells of which her body is composed, and then changing the form of these living cells into any desired appearance. They thus transform the medium into a hideous octopus-like creature, and this is the reason seances occur in a dimly lit room, with the medium in a cabinet, so that the circle of investigators cannot witness the horrible scene as it really is."

  p. 123 Demons control mediums by seizing the base of the brain
  "The cerebellum of the brain is the power house of the body and it is from this center that the evil spirits seek control over the reasoing faculties, located in the cerebrum, and over the whole body."

  p. 126 Heavenly whiskey, dentistry and manure
  "According to Sir Oliver Lodge's book 'Raymond', the spirit world is inhabited by spirit beings who have flesh but do not bleed. They wear tweed clothes, drink whiskey and have manure piles."
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  Soon will be no choice but to invade North Korea.

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there is no way in hell that these brainwashed fools will cease making nukes.

  their doctrines are based on "death to america"..."never surrender" they are much more messed up then iran!

  war will be the final solution..

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  I concur with Smiddy...defectors are common from NK, not so brain-washed then are they?

  Most in NK know the score, they don't believe KJU is god and an uprising would occur if KJU started something for real.

  It's all a showmanship of power at the moment...nothing more.
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  RUMOUR - Regarding future memorials

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard this on the youtube channel - bad jw round table discussions and i normally don't give much thought to rumours, i did find this one interesting.one of the guys on the channel said that there are plans that 'the other sheep' will be told not to attend any future memorials.he was asked how credible was this and he said that it is talk going around by those in the know, just like there had been those that knew about the fairly recent new edition of the bible being in production.even if this is probably just a rumour, the idea has a lot of merit.

  the benefits for the organization outweigh the negatives and would fit in with their current direction.here are some of the benefits, for the org.

  that could come from it- the biggest benefit would come from not having to accommodate so many attendants, which are more than double a normal meeting.

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  Whilst this rumour is considered just that, a wild rumour the fact still remains that at some point the large number of anointed people recorded needs addressing...years from now if there is still a large number of anointed then dubs will start to question...much like 1914.

  At some point, 1914 and the anointed numbers will need new light...
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  1919 a Date with Zero Prophetic Meaning

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed that lately the wt has been using the date 1919 more often.

  in an almost matter of fact way, they will state that this is the year jesus finished refining his people and appointed the fds.

  the only problem is there is little proof or even prophetic antitypes given for why this must have been the year.

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  And when Jesus selected these guys as the FDS in 1919 just what criteria did he use?

  Because they most certainly back them were not teaching anything like "the truth" as it is today...and it was not their "attitude" because the Proclaimers book says so and there were many sincere groups back then trying to understand the bible.

  So why did he choose them? Why would Jesus continue to use them now since they every doctrine and every policy may be wrong because they are not inspired and are not infalliable?

  The only times I read in the bible of Jehoover's people teaching wrong doing is when they strayed from the teachings and every time God punished them, heck the big man in the sky punished even some of his most ardent followers when they strayed...Moses, David etc...

  Are the GB expecting massive retribution then for the constant teachings in Jehoover's name that they keep getting wrong and have to adjust?