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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  notsurewheretogo

  the point is that the UK government were scared enough of the "SNP threat" to suppress the reality of North Sea oil revenue at the time and misinform the public.

  No that is not the point now is it? It has no relevance to the 18 year old voting in Scotland for NOW and the next 5 years. As I said what has happened in the past does not matter because the case of independence and oil revenue is now dependent on different factors in different circumstances.

  To be fair...as a person who does not agree with the SNP and I side on unionists, I voted tactically against the SNP and I know many did too.

  And it worked. But as SBF advises you need to be aware of the current political climate and feelings in Scotland to understand this.

  I guess it does sound weird to not vote for the party you want but the party who will most likely displace the SNP in your area. But it is the reason why Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson are out of a job...that and well other reasons that I'll keep to myself.

  SBF, you still haven't answered my question, you raise all other points and they are good points but still can't answer my fundamental question.

  If we go independent now and lose money from the subsidy from the rest of the UK via the Barnett Formula and add in the fact oil revenue has gone for good how do we cope with a massive drop in income? How do we address the £15 billion deficit? WITHOUT extreme austerity measures since SNP say its wrong to do so.

  Where is the money going to come from to keep Children Hospitals running if we remove billions of income from the UK given that we are overspending by £1,000 per person WITH that income from the UK at the moment? I understand your point about relying on the UK for the future but you still have not answered this question.

  I tell you, if the SNP just answered that, gave evidence with facts and figures that we can do it then they would win the hearts and minds of the Scottish people.

  It's the one thing they can do and it would almost certainly make independence real and not just a possibility but a reality.

  But we know the reason why they haven't to date when it is the one thing they could do to achieve independence...

  Because there is no way to do it without massive austerity measures, tax rises, cuts to public spending and cuts to all the current perks we enjoy.

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/03/14/five-charts-show-economically-risky-scottish-independence-would/

  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/scottish-economy-independence-referendum-oil-price

  Do you realize this is the main reason why many do not side with the SNP even though they would love to see independence?
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  notsurewheretogo

  SMB...utterly irrelevant what has happened in the past.

  We are not or would not vote on past things...we would vote on the current situation.

  There is no money from oil now...and that won't change...in fact oil revenue is is the red...the bill picked up by the UK!

  https://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/14195/north-sea-oil-cost-scotland-338million-in-2016-as-tax-receipts-go-into-the-red/

  To cut off our funding with no way to replace it is suicide. We both may not like the current arrangement but that is the current situation.

  You are right, we have no oil revenue. So we break away from the UK...we have no money coming in from oil so how do we cope with losing billions in subsidy from the UK.

  I'll repeat I've never had a straight answer yet from any SNP MP or supporter...because the only answer is painful.

  Raising of taxes, cutting of public spending, cutting of all that is good and free like eye tests, prescriptions, uni fees, childcare etc.

  I do not want to inflict that upon my children or my nation.

  If the SNP or any party produced a manifesto that clearly showed, with facts and figures that were not made up, that there was a path where we could go independent and not severely damage our already fragile economy and then grow and prosper then many of the 55% who voted NO in 2014 would change to YES myself included.

  But there isn't...
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  notsurewheretogo

  Actually that's the point. The Barnett formula only gave back to Scotland some of the extra money that was raised in Scotland from oil. Until 2014 Scotland had been sending more per capita in tax to London than it was receiving back in extra spending every single year since at least the early 1970s.
  See this table that shows higher tax receipts per capita in Scotland compared to the UK for the last few decades.
  http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0041/00418381.pdf
  Only very recently has this trend changed. London has not been sending Scotland money, it's been the other way around.
  The idea that London will send Scotland extra money indefinitely despite falling tax revenue from Scotland is a leap of faith.
  In fact London politicians have stated the opposite: that Scotland in future needs to raise its own taxes to cover spending.
  So I ask again what makes you think London is going to send extra money to Scotland for decades to come?

  Leap of faith? The UK government is responsible for all areas of the UK, whilst Scotland, Wales etc indeed are nations they are still under the responsibility of the UK...they are not going to knacker up a whole area of the UK they are responsible for. UK government sees Scotland, Wales just like English county's really...we are one big family.

  It is a bigger leap of faith to hope, guess etc that leaving the UK will be better, there are no facts to indicate that will be so. The facts seem to force us to come to the conclusion that life would be much harder if we went it alone.

  So at the moment I choose the less of two evils so to speak.

  The fact 45% of our nation choose to ignore these points and "hope" it would be better independent is quite frankly embarassing.
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  notsurewheretogo

  Do you really believe that London will send a subsidy to Scotland for decades to come if we remain in the union?

  Well they have since how long? 1980's when the Barnett formula kicked in? Irrelevant though...the fact is we go solo now...it will destroy us.

  That is all is that matters. If, at some point in the future, it becomes apparent we can be independent AND go it alone financially then THAT is the time I vote YES.

  Surely that is the common sense approach?
  
  
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  notsurewheretogo

  The fact is though...what we contribute is far less than what we receive...period.

  With oil never hitting $120 a barrel ever again given shale (fracking) it's game over...going independent would destroy our economy.

  Your points are all "if"...a SNP supporter said on my doorstep that it "may be better" if we went independent.

  So SNP want me to vote on them for an "if", or "maybe"? A coin toss? A gamble? A "maybes aye maybes no"? No facts, no data, just "what ifs".

  Mental. The facts is we ARE better off in the UK money wise at present. To vote out on a "maybe" or "the uk may not subsidy us in the future" is just strange.
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  2. current

  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  notsurewheretogo

  Ok, as I say let us forget the London Scotland thing, I was merely pointing out that London voted to remain too.

  What about Scotland's finances as I mention? It woulds be suicide to go it alone at this moment purely from a monetary point of view
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

  1. social
  2. current

  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  notsurewheretogo

  @slimboyfat...our point aside about London/Scotland...how do you cope with Scotland leaving the UK removing billions from Scotlands income via UK funding and the fact that even with that funding we are overspending by £1,000 per person to cause massive deficit?

  The only way Nicola or the SNP can counter this if we went independent is to have massive austerity measures...no free prescriptions, no free eye tests, no free child care, no free uni fees and massive rises to taxes and massive cuts to public spending.

  Ironic given SNP claim the austerity measures via Tories are bad, it would have to be worse under the SNP.

  Not one SNP supporter or MP has countered this logically, all they say is "the government figures are lies".

  I would love an independent Scotland...but damn if I am going to break Scotland for the sake of my children's future by voting for independence and SNP when the math doesn't stack up.

  It seems 55% of us realized this in 2014 and now many more do.

  SNP went from 56 seats to 32...they will get far less in the next GE because they simply do not benefit Scotland because they are more interested in independence, which damages Scotland at the moment.
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  2. current

  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  notsurewheretogo

  @slimboyfat
  In fact it turned out that Scotland was dragged out of the EU despite a majority of Scots voting for the EU.

  So did London, they voted to remain...

  The EU vote was not a country vote, it was a UK wide vote...irrelevant that Scotland, as part of the UK, voted to stay same with London.

  The fact is we voted in 2014 to stay in the UK, and the SNP lost 21 seats in the GE because Scots are fed up of poor services from the SNP whilst they bleater on about indyref2.

  Scots have spoken, we don't want another indyref.

  The fact people want to be independent when we have a 15 billion deficit and is the worst in the western world and want to cut off subsidy funding from the UK is utterly baffling.
  
  
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  How many here are married to (still In) Jay Dubs? Any tips or advice for keeping the marriage going?

  by NikL in

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  if you are, you know it is not easy to remain intimate with someone who thinks you are basically "walking dead".. any thoughts or tips to share with the board?.

  what has been the greatest issue for your marriage?.

  need to vent?.

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  notsurewheretogo

  I faded in 2012.

  Wife is still in and we have a young family.

  We simply do not talk about, it ends up in an argument.

  I compromise in that she takes our very young children to the meetings/assemblies and she compromises on certain things.

  But none of what I know about TTATT I can speak about, she just doesn't want to listen.

  But the single thing I do is simply love her, and she knows it so we are happily married.

  When the kids gets older that will be interesting as I'll be having studies with them about TTATT!
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  If you had the means to kill a terrorist before he detonated would you ?

  by Chook in

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  i mean blow their fucking brains out..

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  notsurewheretogo

  I'd kill everyone in this world that has the intention to purposefully kill innocent people and follow through on it.