Posts by notsurewheretogo

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What are the "inner rooms" of Isaiah 26:20? The answer may surprise you !!!

by jwdoctrine in

"go, my people, enter your inner rooms, and shut your doors behind you.hide yourself for a brief moment until the wrath has passed by.

"(isaiah 26:20).

one of the questions that seem to trouble the governing body of the jehovah's witnesses in recent year is this: what will jehovah's witnesses be doing during the destruction of babylon the great?

notsurewheretogo

The interior rooms were never physical...the society said in a 98 WT that they denote the inner room of each congregation...then they added if there is anything else to this prophecy then it will be revealed at a later date.

They have never said it is KH...in fact they have said the opposite in that it is not a physical location.

I quote an old public talk I used to give:

Can I read you a quote from August 15th 1998 Watchtower page 19 paragraph 14. This was quoted at our recent district convention.

In the near future, the greatest time of tribulation ever to strike the human race will break forth suddenly. (Matthew 24:21) When it does, servants of God will need as never before to display confidence in Jehovah’s righteousness and in the direction provided by his organization. In a symbolic way, they will then confidently obey God’s injunction: “Go, my people, enter into your interior rooms, and shut your doors behind you. Hide yourself for but a moment until the denunciation passes over.” (Isaiah 26:20) Already they have entered into the protective atmosphere of over 85,000 congregations in 232 lands. Whatever may additionally be included in the injunction “enter into your interior rooms,” we can be confident that Jehovah will help us to carry it out.

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WT rules about forgiving a cheating spouse

by Addison0998 in

does anyone else think it’s weird and controlling the organization says if your mate commits adultry, and then you have sex with them, you are not free to remarry again, since this means you forgave them.

the bible never mentions anything about this.

it’s so weird they have a say about what goes on behind closed doors of two people who are still legally married.

notsurewheretogo

Just get a pillow.

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Why the organisation is angry at me

by Alex Bogdanov in

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my name is alex bogdanov.

i am the author of if only.

it was published a month ago.

notsurewheretogo

There was a weird post a few days ago about the OP and his book...can't remember if it was on here or Reddit.

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I attended my 2nd exjw meetup and it was brilliant

by UnshackleTheChains in

i decided to attend my 2nd scottish exjw meetup and what a blast.

so many experiences.

it was incredibly engaging to actually meet people in the flesh and hearing their personal stories.. the damage the watchtower organisation causes to peoples lives is absolutely disgusting.

notsurewheretogo

Where was this held in Scotland? How many were there? I would love to go next time, I was unaware of any meetups of exjws in Scotland.

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What is the strangest book or craziest book the JWs have ever printed?

by blownaway in

what do you think the crazies or strangest book they ever printed is?.

notsurewheretogo

From 1920 WT publication "Talking with the Dead":

p. 116 Materializations
"These materializations occur by a power which the demons posess of being able to draw out of the mediums body connected streams of the cells of which her body is composed, and then changing the form of these living cells into any desired appearance. They thus transform the medium into a hideous octopus-like creature, and this is the reason seances occur in a dimly lit room, with the medium in a cabinet, so that the circle of investigators cannot witness the horrible scene as it really is."

p. 123 Demons control mediums by seizing the base of the brain
"The cerebellum of the brain is the power house of the body and it is from this center that the evil spirits seek control over the reasoing faculties, located in the cerebrum, and over the whole body."

p. 126 Heavenly whiskey, dentistry and manure
"According to Sir Oliver Lodge's book 'Raymond', the spirit world is inhabited by spirit beings who have flesh but do not bleed. They wear tweed clothes, drink whiskey and have manure piles."

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

notsurewheretogo

I like the cut of your jib Las Malvinas son Argentinas...your views are more or less the same as mine.

Which is why I am rather disappointed with Paul at JWFacts.com for posting this thread.

Lloyd has a right go at the WT, the GB, other ex-jws etc yet you make remarks, comments, constructive criticism about Lloyd and he takes it personally...he can't take what he dishes out...

I don't believe for one minute he earns "far less" in his activism as myself and others have pointed out what is publically available and hence why I suggest the reasons why he has to produce content and new books is because of money, because activism is his income.

I too have told Lloyd that his site and his articles prior to his "coming out" as an apostate, as in prior to him DA himself that they were balanced, neutral, factual and highly effective....just like JWFacts.com.

But as soon as he DA himself then the focus of his channel was himself and not the content and in that he has lost an opportunity to get people "still on the fence" out of the WT...all the people who have come out since he showed himself on his videos were on there way out anyway otherwise they wouldn't watch his videos because now most would view them as apostate whilst prior to his DA they were balanced to the point you could watch them whilst still in.

Fair enough he changed his direction but he made it about himself...how many exjw's has he put off because of that? How many possible exjws who are still in are put off?

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

notsurewheretogo

I did not want to make this thread about money, but discussions over financial motives regularly pops up, and they are an ad hominem attack that are not accurate and should not have any relevance to the effectiveness of the work being achieved.

I'm not "attacking him"...why do you think that is the case?

The point is all these threads exist because he is releasing a new book...he has to because he needs to generate income...it is a factor as to why he does...maybe not the biggest factor but one still the less.

Mentioning that a full time activist has to generate income to fund his "career" is not "attacking"...it is simply pointing out the fact as to why he has to release new content...because it is his income.

Paul...I'm disappointed in you...you are the author of a non-bias, neutral, amazingly resourceful website yet you you seem very defensive in this subject...the fact is you are not neutral when it comes to Lloyd...you have appeared in a recent video interview and now a foreword in his book..and now you post active threads about it on here.

This is not the neutral sensible Paul that we know.

Whether you like it or not Lloyd has many people in the exjw community who have issues with him due to previous dealings, personality, egocentrc behaviour etc.

As I've said the mature approach is to see the past the man and look at the content and either enjoy or dismiss without overly attacking the man.

I enjoy some of his content, I ignore others...I give my opinion when asked such as threads like these which I have a right to do but still I will promote good content even if the man presenting it has fundamental flaws.

But you recent overly need to defend this is rather disappointing.

Why did you think there was a need to create this thread?

Not every point made is an "attack"...when someone puts themselves forward in any light you are always going to get constructive criticism and just plain criticism...deal with it...as Lloyd does.

For the record I like most of Lloyds content, I point others to it, I have told Lloyd that his self-confessed mental issues (depression) that he suffers means his work and what he has had to put up with makes what he has done amazing...and I applaud that.

Yet he has made mistakes and has an attitude in some areas that do not help his cause and make people turn off him.

But even so...enjoy the content...forget the man.

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

notsurewheretogo

Paul...I simply mentioned the amount he makes in Paetron...YouTube...book sales and other incomes is not "far less" than making money via translation.

If it is then translation is megabucks.

To say "far less" is not factual...that is all I mentioned...I agree with most what you say but disagree that he is making "far less" based on what is publically available for all to see the potential earnings he makes from his activism.

Hence why he needs to churn out content including a new book to keep the income coming...not a bad thing as I say but it is a factor in why he releases content...which is the topic of this thread.

I'm surprised at your comments...check the facts about how much he is earning..it is not less than a full time average paid job.

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

notsurewheretogo

Lloyd is earning far less from his JW activism than he could working full time in his business as a translator.

Really? Just from Paetron and YouTube he will be earning thousands per month...add his book into it etc along with no doubt sponsers and I know he has said in the past he gets financial backing from some people I doubt that is "far less" than working as a translator.

If it is then I'm in the wrong business.

The thing is it is not really wrong because he needs to fund his full time activism but it will mean continuing to churn out books and videos just to keep your income going...like his new book.

If someone’s devoting the bulk of their usual “working life” to JW activism, all power to them in making enough money to support his wife and daughter. Those who criticise him probably have their own sources of income and good for them.
I couldn’t do what Lloyd had done - but I admire his tenacity and confidence. He’s made a few cringeworthy missteps along the way. Yes, he could have been more straight up in his failings and said, “Sorry, I really mucked up there and made a bad call. I’m genuinely trying to rectify my bad judgement.” But he didn’t. I criticised him for that. But honestly, all these years later, I can let bygones be bygones. I don’t need to like him but I can appreciate the work he is doing.

Cracking post...sums it up for me too.

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

notsurewheretogo

Morpheus sums it up for me really.

As I said on other threads I have my own opinions but do not let them color my approach to Lloyd's work...I can see past the people and actually concentrate on the content.

And that is what matters really.