Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

notsurewheretogo

Scholar...care to explain why the WT said it was 606 BCE only to change it to 607 BCE after they found out there was no zero year between 1 BCE and 1CE?

How could they change the date set in stone in history if it were based on facts? If it were 606 BCE and they realized there was no zero year then they should have changed the date of the end of the prophecy to 1915 CE yet they changed something set in history to ensure 1914 CE.

Dishonest, you can't change a date in history to your preference unless you are a cult.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

notsurewheretogo

The bigger point is...it is NOT 607 BCE according to facts.

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With these 2 long term building projects will it FINALLY wake up some jdub's?

by nowwhat? in

with the ramped up rhetoric the last few years many were totally convinced the end would be here by 2019-20 .

and instead of making due, the org.

has burdened the brothers once again to donate and volunteer for the new and improved patterson and video production center to be completed by 2026!

notsurewheretogo

Sorry to be negative but these type of posts make me laugh.

Because most realize that it DOESNT MATTER what the GB say, it will be lapped up by the dubs.

Nothing the GB say will wake up a dub on mass...the GB and the dubs fully believe in the "concept" that the GB are chosen by a "God" and therefore it is utterly irrelevant what is actually said in words...its the fact where it comes from determines its "truth" to the dubs.

If the GB said that to survive the Big A everyone had to have babies with the GB it wouldn't wake up dubs...they would believe because they never question the "content" of what is said from the GB...it is the fact that if the GB say it then its believed.

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READ: Watchtower's SCOTUS petition

by Corney in

on june 25, 2019 watchtower ny filed petition for a writ of certiorari in the u.s. supreme court.

the society asks to reconsider a $4 million judgment against it in a california child abuse case.

docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html .

notsurewheretogo

smiddy33 months agoSometimes I wonder about myself .

Us too...

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The PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER, Sunday October 6, 2019

by lastmanstanding in

big article.. https://www.inquirer.com/news/inq/jehovahs-witnesses-silent-history-child-sex-abuse-20180425.html.

notsurewheretogo

I emailed the author when it was released in 2018 thanking him for a great, honest, candid article and he replied with thanks.

He advised he is shocked that this does no get more time in mainstream media like the Catholic Church scandals.

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The Great Tribulation must be at least 3 years away

by BourneIdentity in

since they’ve announced the dates for the next 3 memorials, no talk about this “may be our last one!”.

since they’ve announced the patterson construction project will take 3 years to complete.

let’s also not forget when they designed warwick, they spent money on expensive energy saving technology to save millions in the long run, years and decades in the future.

notsurewheretogo

I'm playing Devil's Advocate here but we all plan to live our lives until a ripe old age yet cater for a plan if we die unexpectedly.

I see no difference in the WT applying that to their projects...they do their projects as they are made to last in this system yet they believe today may be the last day of world.

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The serpent in the Garden can’t be secretly Satan

by Doug Mason in

we know that the serpent in the garden can’t be secretly satan, because the first time satan is mentioned by name is in a story chronologically after this one, and in that, he is said to be walking.

remember that the serpent was cursed to crawl on his belly all the rest of his days, but in the book of job, satan is still walking around and chatting with god as if they’d never had a falling out.

this is when god had to ask satan where he’s been, because his infallible omniscience obviously didn’t know.. so if he had to ask that of satan, who is later described as the lord of lies, then why would god believe him?

notsurewheretogo

Doug....your whole argument is pretty crap...the serpent is NOT Satan...Satan merely used it..you can see the difference yeah?

So whilst Satan was described as "walking" later in Job compared to the serpent not walking is irrelevant.

You do understand imagery, metaphors, allegory etc?

If a still in finds this thread then jeepers they think that exjw's are thick.

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Motivations for Watchtower leadership

by GetMeOutofHere in

i’ve struggled for some time with this question.

why would the elders, cos, branch committee, helpers to gb and the gb themselves devote their lives to progressing in the organization, if the whole thing is one big sham?

i have 3 ideas so far.. 1) money.

notsurewheretogo

Read Don Cameron's book "Captives to a Concept", it explains really well their motivation...they are held captive to the concept a god is involved with the GB.

Once they are held captive to that then that is their motivation.

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Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

by Alex Williams in

this statement was answered in a form of a question to a question posed by one of his followers;.

jesus realized that composite slave had to qualify for such an appointment when he came into power of his kingdom promised by jehovah god.

[and they came to life and ruled as kings with the christ+ for 1,000 years].

notsurewheretogo

Don Cameron's book "Captives to a Concept" is single-handlely the best resource to debunk that the GB are appointed by a "God".

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Why do JWs reject the 587/586 BCE date?

by Doug Mason in

i do not want this to develop into another discussion on "607 bce date is wrong".. when the a-e section of "aid to bible understanding" was published, i was able to show that the article on "chronology" employed deceptive techniques when it cited its sources.

whenever i provided jws the evidence in print, it was like water off a duck's back.

"the brothers in brooklyn have done all the research, write to them", they would tell me.. i soon recognised that the jws followed the wts because of who it claimed to be.. it became clear that another, stronger force existed--the impact of shunning with the loss of close friendships and with the impact on their family relationships.. one could only stand by with concern thinking of the impact of the cognitive dissonance and observing the regular changes requiring lock-step obedience.

notsurewheretogo

Er because their whole religion is found and supported on the idea that the GB are in God's hands.

Most of the JW doctrine is an interpretation of scripture, that interpretation coming from the GB.

They must have authority in the rank file members eyes and 607 > 1914 > 1919 gives the GB that self-appointed authority.

If you remove 607 you remove that authority then all their doctrines are interpretations of men, not God appointed.

JW's cannot accept that, cognitive dissonance.

The whole reason why many of us have left is simply down to the fact we realize that the GB are not appointed by a "God" and are indeed self-appointed.

This is why when people leave for other reasons and do not research and still "believe" that the GB are God's spokespeople that they will either go back or their conscience cripples them to mental health issues.

607 BCE as the destruction of Jerusalem is the absolute core and foundation of JW's because it then gives credence in their eyes that all other doctrines are from "God".

Ironically, 607 is one of the easier doctrines they profess to disprove.