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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Latest poll slim is 44%.
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  As I say, all this is hypothetical because Scotland is going to vote for independence at the next referendum. Unionists know this as well—that’s why they are so desperate to avoid having one.

  Astonishing statement given facts suggest the opposite...you seem very convinced despite voting results and survey pools slim.
  
  
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  At the moment there is a majority in the Scottish Parliament for a new referendum because SNP plus Greens supporting it make a majority.

  Irrelevant...its people not seats that count. More people voted for pro-union parties.
  

  If there were two parties, pro-union and pro-indy which is the SNP the SNP would have won ten seats last Thursday. An indy vote is two choices just like above.

  It is up to voters to decide when, if ever, another referendum should take place. If they want another referendum they can vote for parties that support another referendum.

  We decided and indicated that last Thursday where the majority voted pro-union?

  because I am sure Scotland will vote for independence at the next opportunity.

  What do you base that on??? 44% in the latest survey poll and last Thursday results showed 56% voted for pro-union AND of the 45% that voted SNP 25% of those votes were tactical.

  SBF, I thought you were different but man you talk the same as every SNP and Nat...you ignore facts and carry on with the quest for independence.

  Do you really want it? Because I know how to win voters. If she tells the UK and Scotland via a credible report (not a once upon a time we will live off oil) just HOW Scotland will run financially and fill the ten billion pound black hole when we leave the UK by NOT cutting public spending by huge austerity measures and NOT raising taxes WHILST spending money on infrastructure to support an independent nation like currency, regulation bodies, foreign office, defence etc that then all goes to make Scotland greater than when they were in the Union then it will win.

  There is a reason why she and the SNP have never answered this. You HAVE read the SNP's Growth Commission Report in 2018 that details decades of measures to bring the deficit down so we can apply back into the EU?

  Heck I saw a SNP MP being asked this very question a couple of weeks ago on the TV and the answer he gave was "to make Scotland a better place to live so people move in and we tax them."...ten...billion...pounds worth?

  If the SNP want independence then they need to show how it can be done and start dramatically improving their use of the powers they got from devolution in 2007 because they are horrendous. Some public sectors are still not devolved and we are near 13 years on yet she promises Scotland can leave the UK in 18 months.

  Cognitive Dissonance if I have ever seen it.
  
  
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  You can delay democracy but you can’t stop it forever

  Exactly...the democratic expression in 2014 was Scotland remain in the UK.

  Last Thursday it was the democratic expression of Scotland that 56% voted for pro-union parties.

  The 2019 election gave a mandate for another referendum

  No, no it did not when the majority voted for pro-union parties. Seats do not matter, vote numbers count.

  56% voted for pro-union parties...that is a majority. There is no mandate for another referendum.
  
  

  Once the UK leaves the EU at the end of next month an independent Scotland would be stranded outside the EU with a huge deficit and no chance of getting back into Europe without agonising austerity measures to balance the economy.

  Why does every single SNP or Nat not see this and never comments when it is raised? 5 years I've raised this and never had an answer from any SNP supporter or nat.
  
  
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  Yesterday's Watchtower Study (from October issue) "Stay Faithful Through the Gt. Tribulation"

  by BluesBrother in

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  this article has all the trappings of wts apocalyptic theology, doom and destruction for "the world" salvation into paradise for the faithful .a schedule of future events is described thus :.

  1) a worldwide proclamation of peace and security.

  2) the destruction of "babylon the great"......it confidently names the characters from this visionary biblical reference, without any supporting reasons.. 3)the nations will then , as gog of magog , attack the wts and the members .

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  notsurewheretogo

  But they can't say: "We may pay out shed loads of cash in 2020 for child abuse cases".

  Because there is no "may" about it.
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Also there were plenty people who voted SNP who do not want to break up the Union.

  Cofty...exactly...25% of the 45% who voted SNP did so to tactically to vote against Brexit and the Tories and independence was not the reason they voted.
  
  
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  You miss the point.

  More people voted for pro-union parties than an Independent party.

  Surely the majority of voters should be taken into consideration as to Scotland's views as to their future?

  SNP do NOT speak for the majority of Scotland's people as proved on Thursday.

  Just because the pro-union votes were split among parties and the Independence votes were not resulting in seats is irrelevant.

  More people in Scotland voted with parties who favor the union.

  So there is no mandate...there is no majority...there is no huge swing to independence.

  Nothing has changed since 2014.
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  The latest YouGov survey has Independence at 44% if you are interested.
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  then support for independence is going to go through the roof.

  Eh? MORE people voted for pro-union parties on Thursday! Independence favour has gone down!

  Just look at some of the recent polls on the matter.
  
  
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  If elections mean anything then Scotland has a right over its own future, which it has voted for 4 times in three years.

  Slim...we have already done this.

  There are 4 million voters in Scotland. 35% voted SNP. Of the people who did vote 45% voted SNP (1.4 million) yet 54% voted pro-union parties (1.5 million). And of the 45% that did vote SNP 25% of them voted for SNP tactically against Brexit and nothing to do with independence.

  In 2015 49% voted SNP, just after the failed independence in 2014.

  The SNP say Scotland have voted and now must be heard? SNP do not represent Scotland when more people voted for pro-union parties.

  35% of voters voting SNP is not a majority. 45% of votes being for SNP is not a majority. The majority voted for pro-union parties.

  Of the 48 seats won by SNP only 10 were won by 50% of the votes.

  Scotland has no right to another indy referendum because a) nothing has changed since 2014 and b) the majority voted for pro-union parties last week.

  Add in other factors like the SNP's horrendous track record with the powers devolved to it since 2007 and the £10 billion black hole in our finances if we went independent that we need to find its not too hard to see Westminster saying no.

  If Scotland were independent our deficit would be 7% and as the SNP's own Growth Commission report outlined in 2018 it would take decades of tax rises and austerity measures to get it down to 3% just to apply to get into the EU.

  Nothing about independence makes any sense financially. The UK know this as their deficit is 1% and they support Scotland.

  £65 billion is raised in taxes in Scotland but we spend £73 billion. Where would the money come from?

  Then there is the divorce bills...setting up a currency...Foreign Office, bank regulating body, armies, defence etc. Everyone knows a divorce costs you but when you are ten billion down already???

  I say Boris gives the mandate to have it in 2020 because the SNP would crap themselves given the stats indicate if anything independence is less likely than in 2014.

  Then the SNP can get on with their day jobs and sort out the utter mess that our NHS and education system is in.

  I'm a passionate Scot about my country and there is huge issues with independence and huge benefits being in the union.

  I still scratch my head at the reason why we need indyref2 is because we are being pulled out of the EU when we trade 23% with the EU but trade 60% with the UK.

  How can coming of of the EU be bad affecting 23% of our trade but pulling out of the UK affecting 60% of our trade be good?

  We voted in 2014...that should be respected.

  #makesnosense