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  Don Adams has passed away

  by RubaDub in

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  i received a call from a friend in new york city that don adams passed away late last evening (30 dec 2019).

  many of you bethelites know him and he was the president of the society for a number of years after the gb got out of the corporate structure business.

  from what i understand, he was generally liked by many there.. some in my family knew him.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Don did not claim to be anointed...he never partook.
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  2019 service report is out

  by slimboyfat in

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  the 2019 report is out:.

  https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_publication/29/syr19_e.pdf.

  the “average publisher” figure for individual countries has made a comeback!

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  notsurewheretogo

  Number of partakers is up by over 1000, or 5% to 20,526.

  That is mental...
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Can't join the EU with a deficit of 7% anyway...it has to be 3%...SNP's own Growth Commission Report advises it may take decades to get it down.

  And again only by huge tax rises and massive austerity measures to public spending.

  An interesting article on the BBC about this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50822431

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  The Strathclyde University economist adds that the public finances have not gone the way of the independence movement. The Scottish government's own numbers estimating tax raised in Scotland, and public spending, continue to show an unsustainably large gap.
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  but independence looks pretty likely now

  I disagree and would be willing for Boris to call her bluff. The SNP know, right now, they would lose indyref2.
  
  
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  The publication from the SNP is out asking for the transfer of power of having a referendum to them.

  https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-right-choose-putting-scotlands-future-scotlands-hands/
  
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  I think Scotland would fare O.K

  You realize this is the whole issue?
  

  I can't base my kids future prospects on a gamble, a maybe...hard facts are required and none support independence.

  SBF has already said he discredits government figures.

  It's the WT all over again lol?
  
  
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Ok so you ignore or don't believe GERS figures and are willing to gamble the future of the nation and families based on that gamble? I don't like that risk.

  You keep saying it was a SNP landslide last Thursday and it was...in terms of seats.

  But in an indy referendum it is number of voters that counts and it is only 2 options to choose from. Yes or No.

  If you take all the votes for pro-union parties and add them together 56% of Scotland voted for them. If they were all one party then SNP would have ten seats not 48 as only ten seats won by more than 50% of the votes.

  I'm struggling to understand why you think Scotland has a mandate for indyref2 when a) the number of voters that voted SNP, the only indy party, was 35% of the entire voting population of Scotland and only 45% of those that actually voted and b) Of those that voted SNP, the 45% it is estimated 25% of them voted tactically against the Tories and do not support independence.

  How can Scotland have a mandate for another indyref when the latest polls show it is not over 50% but more importantly the majority of Scotland in terms of number of voters voted for pro-union parties.

  The SNP are not the majority of Scottish voters and do not represent a majority of Scottish people if you count votes not seats and it is votes that will the important thing in an indyref.

  If the majority of Scotland do not want an indyref and align themselves to parties and vote in the GE to say so then surely it is against democracy and a complete waste of time and money to have another indyref?

  Add in the main reason why it seems to have indyred2 is to get back into the EU where the SNP acknowledge it will take decades via their Growth Commission report then it makes no sense.

  I think we need to get Brexit done, the SNP improve their awful track record of devolved powers and let our nations heal a bit. Perhaps review in 5 years time.

  I've done 2 referendums and 3 GE's in the last 5 years. Time to stop.
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  SBF...

  Can you answer the questions I have asked a few times on this thread?

  We become independent and stare at a ten billion hole in our finances. How does Scotland fund that?

  The two answers I have heard so far are a) get more people in Scotland and b) grow our economy.

  Neither will instantly give us ten billion pounds.

  How would you convince a person who is politically neutral, has no agenda but simply wants what is best for his people and family etc that independence will create a better future given the facts that we start with ten billion pounds down and lots of infrastructure to create or settle via divorce settlement?
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Latest poll slim is 44%.
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  notsurewheretogo

  As I say, all this is hypothetical because Scotland is going to vote for independence at the next referendum. Unionists know this as well—that’s why they are so desperate to avoid having one.

  Astonishing statement given facts suggest the opposite...you seem very convinced despite voting results and survey pools slim.