the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
What criteria did Jebus use to select the JW's in 1919?
Proclaimers book says it was not attitude as many groups were very zealous back then.
It was doctrine they say...except comparing what was taught in 1919 and what is taught now there is a vast difference.
The whole 1914/1919 falls down on so many levels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.
hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".
arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.
56% now support independence. How much longer can unionists keep holding back democracy?
Sigh...it fluctuates like this all the time and will do so after the Supreme Court "bounce".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.
hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".
arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.
Exactly my view @BoogerMan and the view of most sensible Scots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.
hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".
arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.
It hasn't changed at all in real terms. It fluctuates and has done with a peak after the Supreme Court but that will level out again.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/scottish-independence-polls/
Point is there has not been a consistent more than 50% and therefore no appetite to grant a ref.
Why do you ignore all the points about how to win people over with economics, good governing, devolved issues being mismanaged etc. You realise if my points are addressed to a satisifaction then those like myself who want independence but will not ruin the future generations would actually vote yes.
Independence is easy to get...SG cannot simply produce any credible plan with real facts and figures though...until that is produced the status quo remains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.
hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".
arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.
Scotland cannot afford to be part of it any longer. Brexit is a disaster, austerity has ruined our public services
Our public services are ruined through devolution. Education and the NHS are nowhere near as bad in the UK compared to Scotland...fully devolved.
So how does removing tens of billions from our economy and not have the ability to lend on the greater shoulders of the UK in any way address that. This single point I keep making and there is not one answer from any pro-indy supporter, ever.
How does Scotland borrow? What currency do we use? How is going back to the EU any better than the UK when 60% of our trade is with the UK? How will we fund pensions when over 20% of the workforce in Scotland are civil servants? How do we fund mass infrastructure like a HMRC, DWP, Bank of Scotland, Defence, etc etc.
Support for Independence is split 50-50 and nothing has changed since 2014...if we voted again the same result would occur.
There is literally no point in voting or wanting independence if there is no credible economic plan to get us there.
A vote for independence is to make Scotland weaker, impose mass austerity that makes the Tories look like angels and impose higher tax on those that earn.
Is that really the sell here to Scotland in the midst of a cost of living crisis?
You are living in cuckoo land if you think people would vote for that. We need info, we need a plan, we need sensible economics and we need a stable and sensible government.
We have none of that thus status quo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.
hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".
arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.
then what do you call it when the Supreme Court in another country declares that Scotland has no democratic mechanism for leaving its supposed “voluntary union” with England?
But we did have it, in 2014, we voted no and there is still no clear majority. The YES movement has never had 50% + 1. If there were consistently 60% in the polls then a Section 30 would come.
Independence is dead because there is zero credible economic plan for Scotland to prosper by leaving the union and removing billions of pounds from our economy.
The route to independence is very simple.
Persusaion.
If the SNP + Greens in the current majority of ScotGov can persuade people by running the country well, tackling key issues, change around drastic issues like the NHS, Education etc and be frugal and smart at the economical level then the majority of Scots will vote Yes.
But we have division, mismanagement, abandoning of duties and things getting worse within areas that are fully devolved.
Simply put, the Scottish people do not trust handing more power to SCotland when devolution has worsened the country.
You want independence? Then get the government to do their job, do it well, reverse the trends and come up with a credible economic plan.
Otherwise, independence will never ever be realised. The pro-indy parties in the next GE will not get 50% + 1 unless things drastically change but as the title of this thread highlights the nastiness, divisiveness, hatred that comes across from pro-indy supporters leaves a lot to be desired.
original reddit post (removed).
A person using sex workers has no moral right to be fighting a religion on child abuse. It's not about LE personally...its about the ethics of what he was trying to do taking on the WT whilst at the same time partaking of sex workers and all that is part of that activity.
They are incompatible but the issue is LE doesn't see it that way. THAT is what I have issues with and his entire person, integrity and all his content can be discredited because not just what he did but his views on what he did.
original reddit post (removed).
Jesus H Christ...LE now works for the WT...the exjw community is just batshit crazy.
original reddit post (removed).
"hounding people with false accusations"????
As he constructs legal action against 7 people for absolutely nothing bar free speech. The narcissism is off the chart.
the bible predicts that at some point, the god of the bible will take action.
this is very convincing when reading bible prophecy and history to back up prophecy as represented in the bible.
—exactly when god acts is another subject..
This is very convincing when reading Bible prophecy and history to back up prophecy as represented in the Bible.
No it isn't. Nothing in the bible and history match specifically. There have always been wars, hunger, disease etc and the world has been increasing in population so more suffer the above things.
There is nothing in the bible of anything noteworthy in terms of "prophecy" to then assure some "god" will take action in the future.
Nostradamus is cited as another who had prophecies yet it is all done to interpretation. You can read the bible and extract what you want to fir your ideology.
It's why we are here on this forum because the WT do that very thing.
