i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
Yeah I know about the Doug Walsh case...read up on it...I am from and live in Scotland too....my in-law family are in the Proclaimers book as my wife is like 5th generation while I was a convert...
The only reason why I want to tell people is the same reason why I went on the ministry...people deserve to hear the truth...in this case...the truth about the truth! No other reason...
But I appreciate it's futile to do so...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
Thanks for the link Paul...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
When I got the "truth" I was very passionate about it...
Now that I know "TTATT" I have a burning desire to tell everyone about it...it is very hard thing to quell...thankfully I have some former friends who disassociated themselves who I recently got in touch with and we have had some great discussions...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
Again some good comments...I don't go to meetings...I don't donate...I never will again...my newfound happiness has confused my still-in wife who thought I would get sad after leaving...
I appreciate all who responded on here...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
@out4good3...I am simply looking and listening to the community of exjws who have been through this...and as I said previously not all elders are labelled as "company men"...if a brother had come to me with my logic I would have at least attempted to try and see his point...whilst I may know the answer as to what might happen or the best way to handle it I am simply wanting to hear from others...
There is surely no harm in that...it doesn't matter if I know the answers to my own questions...I am wanting feedback from those who have done what I propose I might do...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
@paul from clevaland...good point...I know deep down how it will play out...guess I am looking for a multitude of counsellors to help me make sure I make the right decision...which is to keep stoom....
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
I'm intrigued by the responses.
Yes I've read Crisis of Conscience and saw Ray trying to use logic and it got him nowhere but you can't label every elder like that...there are sincere ones out there like I was and if someone had come to me with the scenario I painted at the start I wouldn't try and defend the F&DS without first listening to what the brother had to say and see his point of view...
I feel the elders would at least attempt to do the same with me...BUT I agree...the end result would still be disfellowshipping if someone said to me they don't believe that the F&DS are the Channel of God today...so I should expect the same to me...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
There are too many to thank but a lot of good replies...@AndDontCallMeShirley yeah I know all about the context of Pr 4:18 and your question is as good as the logic in my opening post.
@cognisonance...False Dichotomy...I see what you are saying...I agree...I am coming to the conclusion there is no god but the reason why I didn't mention that option is simply that option is not in the mind of the elders...
It seems I will continue to fade...s adly though my best man at my wedding, my best friend is asking what is going on with me...I'm itching to tell him and have played out my conversation to him in my head a million times over...people think I'm depressed which is just the opposite of what I am...
Is there any danger in telling my friend and even if he went to the elders (he's in another hall) then I can deny it and pledge my loyalty...
It's funny...when I got the truth I went mental zealous and preached everywhere...now that I know TTATT I feel EXACTLY the same!
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
@pixel...I was an elder for 6 years...did a lot but never had anyone at all question the truth like the scenario I painted...I never had to refute that kind of logic and there are no guidelines on how to reply barring seeing if they have read apostate material or find out why they stopped viewing it as the truth, are they weak? Are they missing meetings etc?
I think you will find elders do not have answers to everything, they may have different answers and the elders manual lacks a lot as it can't cover every scenario...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
I'm amazed at all the responses and they all the say the same thing...which is telling.
Remember I have done 18 months of research, read "Crisis of Conscience", "Captives to a Concept"...many Steve Hussain and Richard Dawkins books...I know, as a former elder, what elders must do...but yet again I served for many years with this body...I have a good relationship with them all...and whilst all the books and experiences label "elders" the same the way this is not true...many on the body are sincere men who like me just want to know the truth about things...
What about playing Devil's Advocate? Like I could say that I have a friend who has this view but as for me I'm a believer etc? That way they get the point but I still pledge my loyalty to them...
It does seem though that I wil say nothing...
I'll need to clarify that it was 1967 that transplants were a nono and 1980 it was reversed....thanks Donny.
