in the early 80's when i was just a teen, i was out in field circus one day when i overheard our cobe (called president at the time?
) telling another elder that, if armageddon were to come tomorrow, less than 1/3 of the congregation would survive.
this was actually in a bakery as we were just finishing up and they didn't even notice me standing in line as they were too busy drooling over the pastries and talking trash about a ministerial servant who decided not to go to field circus that day for whatever reason.
I tell my elders this all the time...look at a cong anf if they have 100 publishers how many are really pushing themselves, really believe it and fully trust it...less than 20% I tell you...there are so many in for the ride...turn up at a meeting...go out door knocking once a month and answer up a few times and they think they have everlasting life...
I would say IF the Big A came and going by what the WTS teaches to survive there would be not many...
But it's all batshit crazy anyway....
before you knew the truth about the truth, did you stop to think about the aftermath of armageddon were it to happen now?.
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[endif]almost 8 million jws (0.11%) left alive out of 7 billion+ people, or 875 bodies to bury per person left alive.
I always understood it that our bodies would be perfect 1 second after the Big A but it is our minds and hearts that take 1,000 years to reach perfection thus disabilities would be cured and aging would be reversed gradually...
That would sort out any disease issue since the body is perfect from day zero...so an elder told me when I queried it...
Of course, no scriptural proof for any of this...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
@shirley...I do remember that quote now that you post it...indeed thinking thoughts outside the WT's box is considered apostate!
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
They couldn't charge with me apostasy if you go by their own definition of apostasy...I am not a bitter person hellbent on getting people to leave Jehovah...nor have I sourced any material outside the WT...of course if I answered "no" to their question "Do you believe the WT and its Governing Body is god's organization?" then you are DF immediatley...
Ray Franz' answer to that question was good...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
Yeah I know about the Doug Walsh case...read up on it...I am from and live in Scotland too....my in-law family are in the Proclaimers book as my wife is like 5th generation while I was a convert...
The only reason why I want to tell people is the same reason why I went on the ministry...people deserve to hear the truth...in this case...the truth about the truth! No other reason...
But I appreciate it's futile to do so...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
Thanks for the link Paul...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
When I got the "truth" I was very passionate about it...
Now that I know "TTATT" I have a burning desire to tell everyone about it...it is very hard thing to quell...thankfully I have some former friends who disassociated themselves who I recently got in touch with and we have had some great discussions...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
Again some good comments...I don't go to meetings...I don't donate...I never will again...my newfound happiness has confused my still-in wife who thought I would get sad after leaving...
I appreciate all who responded on here...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
@out4good3...I am simply looking and listening to the community of exjws who have been through this...and as I said previously not all elders are labelled as "company men"...if a brother had come to me with my logic I would have at least attempted to try and see his point...whilst I may know the answer as to what might happen or the best way to handle it I am simply wanting to hear from others...
There is surely no harm in that...it doesn't matter if I know the answers to my own questions...I am wanting feedback from those who have done what I propose I might do...
i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
@paul from clevaland...good point...I know deep down how it will play out...guess I am looking for a multitude of counsellors to help me make sure I make the right decision...which is to keep stoom....
