i think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
Richard created a thread asking why everyone hates the WT because of them not reporting child abuse in certain situations and tries to back it up with facts.
When pointed out that the WT policies creates an environment where child abusers can carry out their desires and get away with it and the abject failure of the WT to help victims, protect children and deal properly with the offender and he is not a WT sympathizer?
Sorry but that is utter bull.
new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.
sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.
serves yourself right for voting for trump!
All countries have a deficit...ours is huge though...worse than Greece's...it requires massive reform to be independent...it wont happen under the SNP because they have no clue...thus the logical conclusion is to stand united as part of the UK.
Points 1 and 2 are easily answered...if it wasn't for the rest of the UK we would be in a worse position a long time ago...it is because of the rest of the UK that we are still standing. We will improve as the UK as a whole improves.
You don't seem to answer the point as to how we go independent purely from a financial view given our deficit?
Because if someone ever does with credible facts you will find many who voted no would vote yes, myself included. But there are simply a lack of facts...your points are all ifs and buts...how can we improve as part of the UK etc...all fluffy questions that do not tackle the actual issue that people like myself want answered.
And the answer is not there, SNP want me to "gamble"...it aint happening...I'll vote NO to SNP for as long as it takes to protect my beloved Scotland until the point where the SNP, or any other party, outlines a credible manifesto as to how it would all work.
PS. I think we have hijacked this thread! Lol
new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.
sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.
serves yourself right for voting for trump!
You say we are so poor we cannot afford to be independent, but that we are doing "tremendously well" under Tories. Which is it?
Jeepers SBF...because of the Barnett formula...we are subsidised by the rest of the UK, without it we simply cannot afford the public spending at present. What we contribute to the rest of the UK is far less than what we receive.
Those who say an independent Scotland would be a disaster need to explain what they think is so uniquely inadequate about Scotland or Scottish people that they can't be trusted to govern themselves.
Easy...it is not a case of "think"...the facts are there...financially it would ruin us if we went independent...its not complicated...its simple math. We may both agree we want to be independent and all that comes with it but that fact is we cannot without massive reform...and I'm not willing to "gamble" that until it is all laid out just how it will work.
And we don't need to explain anything, the separatists need to explain why it would be better and how it would work as we don't want anything to change unless it will work...we are not the ones pushing for change...the SNP are and thus the onus lies with you/them to explain how it will work being independent.
I've not read anywhere by any SNP manifesto, by any SNP politician or supporter just how it will work that is credible and not full of lies, half-truths or plain wrong facts.
This why we say it must be the braveheart factor that sways lots of SNP supporters because there is a huge lack on info out there that shows how it would work if we were independent, how can anyone make a decision with a lack of info. That is why the 2014 indyref failed.
new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.
sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.
serves yourself right for voting for trump!
But how do you reconcile the fact we simply cannot afford to go it alone without massive cuts to public spending and raising of taxes at least 5 times what we have now?
I'm all for some of what you say, the ideas are great in parts but the math means, at present, we cannot do it.
You mention how can we improve things if we don't take action, or might it be better if we go alone..."might", "chance", "risk"....I'm not a betting man, I'm not gambling my country, my people and my childrens future on a gamble, a bet, a chance it may be better...especially when the facts suggest we would be in a hellish position financially.
Scotland, and the UK, have done tremendously well in the last five years or so under the torries/lib dems and now the torries fully...its not perfect or ideal but much of what they have done has seen the UK prosper in real hard times, I'm not convinced anyone could have done better.
The SNP won the majority of their seats in Scotland in the last GE...they will fail to do anything of any real means in Scotland and in the the next GE they will lose their seats again...it occurs in politics all the time....in times of hardship the more nationalistic parties become more popular...fail...then it swings back again.
new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.
sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.
serves yourself right for voting for trump!
What I can't understand from unionists is two things. First of all why impugn the motives of those you disagree with? Why can't supporters of independence simply be what they appear to be: those who happen think the best people to make choices about the government of Scotland are the people who live in Scotland? Why all this nonsense about ambition, braveheart and anti-English nonsense? The campaign was about the NHS, the EU, pro-immigration, proper use of oil and renewable resources, choosing own government, getting rid of Trident and so on.
Second thing is the utter conviction unionists seem to have that Scotland governing itself could be nothing other than an unmitigated disaster. What is it about Scotland or the people who live in Scotland that makes you so convinced they could not successfully govern themsleves? Denmark, Switzerland, Norway, Ireland, Luxembourg - all very successful small countries. But Scotland we are told would be a disaster. Why of all nations are we uniquely incapable?
1) But you are labelling me/others a unionist...I'm not...I would love an independent Scotland...just has to be done right...the SNP have fudged figures and facts to support their cause...the real facts show the real picture. Not everyone who voted no wants Scotland to remain the UK, many of us did so because a SNP ruled Scotland is a disaster. If another party actually published a manifesto that worked I would vote yes.
2) Economics...pure and simple...we spend too much and don't earn enough...if we went independent then austerity measures the likes that would put Greece to shame would have to be implemented...ironic given that Sturgeon lashed out at Cameron over his austerity measures.
new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.
sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.
serves yourself right for voting for trump!
The referendum campaign was about avoiding another Iraq war, removing Trident weapons of mass destruction, saving the NHS, staying in the EU, pro-immigration, Scotland getting the governments it votes for.
Utter nonsense...the lies and non-facts coming from the SNP, backed by the BBC in Scotland shows their true colours...they want to be independent irrelevant of the damage it does to Scotland or the people in it. They are hellbent in making a name for themselves at all cost....at the cost of all sensibleness and reasonableness.
If the 2014 ref had gone YES we would be in deep trouble....Nicoliar is still spouting things off that are not just untrue but warped to support her cause.
SBF, I thought you could see all this like the 55% of us who said NO...we especially given we can see through the lies because we have done so with the WT!
I'm still utterly baffled how anyone can support the SNP unless it is just the Braveheart factor because everything they say is not backed up by fact and everything they want to achieve will utterly damage everything about Scotland and its people, its economy etc.
new series of timc started monday.. one of the episodes is on evolution - should be good knowing cox's antipathy towards religion.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f2vv.
sorry you colonials - it's on the bbc so you won't be able to get it.
serves yourself right for voting for trump!
Can I say...Amen Cofty? :)
i'm not sure whether or not my view on this is correct so please leave your input.
in recent months i've been viewing youtube videos.
again, it might just be my view but there has been an increased amount of random people grabbing a camera and doing vlogs.
Yes...negative reinforcement...just makes the JW more convinced they are right.
But I also understand why some who leave feel they need to vent...but it never results in anything good.
a circuit overseer friend of mine serving in latin america called me today to say hi.
i asked him what's new and he dropped the news that they have received notification that the branch in mexico will be closing!!
this branch also called the central american branch (although located in mexico) oversees all of mexico's 800,000+ publishers plus all 7 countries of central america of over 100,000 publishers.
We need proper confirmation via published letters about the closure of the Mexican branch but more importantly the change in Circuit Overseers to support themselves as that seems very unlikely.
in case you were wondering if the governing body we're going to become kinder and gentler, the answer is a big "no!!!
in the current study edition of the wt magazine, the sheeple are reminded of some very important key points.
1) god has an organization ( corporation ) that you must respect.. 2) only the gb/faithful slave can dispense spiritual food and only the gb/faithful slave can interpret the bible.. 3) individual dubs absolutely cannot learn "truth" on their own.. 4) god requires "unity of doctrine.
1) God has an organization ( corporation ) that you must respect.
2) ONLY the GB/Faithful Slave can dispense spiritual food and only the GB/Faithful slave can interpret the Bible.
3) Individual Dubs absolutely cannot learn "truth" on their own.
4) God requires "unity of doctrine." [ Guardians of Doctrine?!?! ]
But when you add their comment that they can get things wrong and that they are not inspired and are not infallible then the above 4 points make zero sense.
