Even worse is people making life/death based decisions based on the sayings of 7 men who now say they may be wrong, are not inspired and are not infallible!
notsurewheretogo
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Making life and death/life altering decisions based on commands from someone you're not sure exists
by jambon1 instraight from the off, i will say that i'm 100% atheist.
i have no faith.
however, it occurred to me while thinking back over my involvement with the jw religion and especially when i take into account personal and family situations where people have made life altering choices due to being jw's, just how crazy it really is.
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Anointed o es disfellowshipped and then reinstated
by Lostandfound insorry if this already covered, have any one seen a professed anointed one disfellowshipped and subsequently reinstated?
still partaking after return.. i witnessed one who had to be "advised" not to attend memorial as his partaking in df state could stumble.
he later told people he observed memorial with emblems privately at home..
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notsurewheretogo
Yes I know of one...guy claimed to be anointed, was a right jerk and slandered a pioneer couple, screaming at their faces at a ministry group that they were into spiritisic practices because they did homeopathy.
He was DF, he appealed, the appeal committee upheld the DF and about ten years later he was reinstated and began partaking again.
Clearly he is not mentally right but he still claims to be anointed.
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Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.
jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.
february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.
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notsurewheretogo
Fair point Smiddy but cases like this one and the Conti case seemed geared not to be about money but about forcing change and settling out of court means the changes do not come. I find it most disappointing that the victim seems geared to take on the WT and go through a lot of things and take a lot of time only to then settle and for the whole thing to disappear.
I see the settlements as a win for the WT.
The victims deserve everything they can get though and I don't blame them at all for settling.
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put youir thinking caps on.
by zeb inthis was sent to me from doug shields blog.
for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.. 1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.
the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.
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notsurewheretogo
Yeah I read about this when I was exiting...
Solar Years v Lunar Years isn't it? Just doesn't work...prophecy uses 360 days but fulfillment uses 365.
Cuckoo!!!!
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notsurewheretogo
That FB account has a YT vid on it about the Saharan silver ant...which is mentioned in the Awake! on another thread here.
Curious, is he really using FB?
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"would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"
by stuckinarut2 inno doubt we have all heard that well used "illustration" in public talks etc over the years:.
"if you were handed a glass of water that looked pure, but were told it has just a tiny drop of poison in it, would you drink it?".
the society has used that illustration at length to say we should avoid all influences of every part of the world.. but, as we know, the society has had a track record of errors, false ideas and doctrines.
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notsurewheretogo
I wanna use an analogy on Jw's i know since every speaker from stage loves using analogies. I was thinking of one myself
If a forest fire was coming straight at your house and it was 100% going to burn your house down would you add on to your house? (jw's...NO)
So if armageddon is coming 100% we could say it is like that forest fire and it would be foolish to build at this time or invest time and money in much of anything (jw's...YES)
So why the F is it ok for the gb to build a new multimillion dollar complex? (jw's...???)This illustration doesn't work.
JW's will say that buildings dedicated to Jehoover are not the focal point of his anger at the Big A...whilst Jerusalem fell in 70CE it fell because God's own people were the focal point of God's anger. Thus, God's dedicated buildings fell.
BUT...at the Big A Jehoover is saving His people, not punishing them thus buildings dedicated to God may survive the Big A, after all they will need something.
Because at the Big A God's people are not getting punished they will say it is likely that most, some, all or a little of buildings dedicated to Jehoover will be preserved.
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"would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"
by stuckinarut2 inno doubt we have all heard that well used "illustration" in public talks etc over the years:.
"if you were handed a glass of water that looked pure, but were told it has just a tiny drop of poison in it, would you drink it?".
the society has used that illustration at length to say we should avoid all influences of every part of the world.. but, as we know, the society has had a track record of errors, false ideas and doctrines.
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notsurewheretogo
The GB have come out and said that they are not inspired and are not infallible and can get things wrong...
And there is no mass walkout as of yet...8 million people are trapped in the concept that it is God's Organisation and is "the truth".
No matter what is said by the GB or printed it does not matter to a JW because they believe in the concept.
They can say all the batshit crazy they want....they can change everything and anything and it simply will not matter to those that believe in the concept that the GB are chosen by a god called "Jehovah".
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1914 to be abandoned around 2016
by Alfred inthe other day i was doing some research about "1914" for a friend on my wt cd library (spanish) and i found it quite interesting that the number of times "1914" is mentioned in the watchtower magazine during the previous 3 decades has been dropping exponentially as follows.... 1980-1989: mentioned 854 times.
1990-1999: mentioned 492 times.
2000-2009: mentioned 222 times.
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notsurewheretogo
1914 has to be abandoned...in the future...if the GB want the cult to survive...that is why the February 2017 study edition of the WT lays the groundwork for any future massive doctrinal change by admitting the GB are not inspired or are not infallible.
So in the future they can and will have to change 1914 but in a way that will not affect dubs.
But not in 2016, not in 2017 or even the near future but at some point it does have to go.
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The handling of child abuse allegations
by Landy inthere's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.
but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.
there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.
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notsurewheretogo
The single biggest thing is the difference in law v congregation.
No matter the severity of the offence the law will put on you on a Sex Offenders list and the public then know.
In the congregation no matter the severity if you are deemed unrepentant then NO-ONE in the congregation will know barring the family involved and the elders.
This could mean the offender making a private ministry arrangement with a family's child, without the elders knowing about it, and can easily re-offend.
It HAS to be policy that members of a congregation know because that IS what occurs if the law get involved.
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Why did C T Russell choose 606 BC?
by shepherdless ini recently commented on a thread in relation to the 607 bc - 1914 ad calculation, listing problems with the logic and mathematics.
afterwards, i wondered what made ct russell choose 606 bc in the first place.
here is my research so far.. i had read somewhere a suggestion that 606 bc was a number ct russell got from nathan balbour who in turn got it from william miller of the millerites.
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notsurewheretogo
Surely the important part is he chose 606 BCE, realized there was no 0 year and instead of adjusting the final year of the prophecy they adjust the START of it ie adjusted something that was supposed to be set in stone, set by history etc?
It's a complete joke to do that. Cherry picking dates to match your own ideas.
Or in other words, it is a cult.