Posts by notsurewheretogo

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WARWICK

by Phoebe in

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as it's highly unlikely i'll ever go to warwick, i found lloyd evans latest video fascinating.

i had no idea that the whole 'museum' (if you can call it that) was so big.

notice the credit card machines by the entrance.

notsurewheretogo

Good point...but...these people are watching his videos whilst "still in"? meaning they must already be on the fence so to speak otherwise there JW voice would say this is wrong to watch.

In the past when Cedars was more neutral you COULD watch his videos WHILST being 100% in because I did...and it was a factor in me getting out.

BUT he has drastically changed his website and where he is going with his activism...fair enough but it won't take someone who is in to then come out...I firmly believe if he stuck to being more neutral like Paul Grundy at jwfacts.com that you can then win over still-ins.

But yeah he has to advertise himself if he wants to live off for sure...my point is over the 6 years I've been out it appears to me that his goal is himself first...but that is just my opinion.

The real thing is whatever gets people out I'm all for...if people like his videos...great...I do not with some of them based on his previous dealings.

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WARWICK

by Phoebe in

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friends

as it's highly unlikely i'll ever go to warwick, i found lloyd evans latest video fascinating.

i had no idea that the whole 'museum' (if you can call it that) was so big.

notice the credit card machines by the entrance.

notsurewheretogo

Sadly for me all I can see is Cedars' ego in that video...I can't watch any more of his...its all about him...he wants to the biggest exjw person and wants to live off it rather than work.

Nothing wrong with that but I see through his work and see the real motivation behind his work...I'm in no way convinced he is doing it just to help others see the folly of the WT...he's in it for himself.

Many disagree with this, fair enough...but the opening sequence of this video is all about Cedar's...he then pushes the whole paetron thing thanking people handing over the cash so he can buy equipment and visit Warwick.

I just don't like...my opinion and others disagree...he has made fine videos but something I have said in the past when his videos were more neutral when he was "faded" they were far better...now they appear from the point of view of an apostate since he DA'd himself...any still in JW's will not watch any video of his that are rebuttals of the JW broadcasts but they would have had he remained more neutral.

But that is the direction he wants to go...I like some of his videos but he is not my cup of tea.

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Why the move to Warwick?

by optimisticskeptic in

i've seen a lot of posts around and about warwick and the goings on there but was curious as to people's theories on why the move to warwick?

granted there's the obvious point about all of the money from the sale of properties in brooklyn but for as massive as warwick is, the purchase of an apartment complex there, multiple sites and buildings i would be surprised if they had much left from all of the profits.

so beyond a financial incentive why move?

notsurewheretogo

They sold $1 billion dollars of property.

Warwick cost $200 million...

Simple math...they pocketed $800 million.

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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

by venus in

many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

notsurewheretogo

The main scientific reason why there is no evidence for evolution

Pick up a f'ing book and READ...the evidence is overwhelming and is accepted as fact...

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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

by venus in

many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

notsurewheretogo

6 pages...no proof...no facts...just waffle from venus...look within yourself to prove God?

Jesus f'ing Christ...

You are not "taking on" anyone because you offer nothing...zilch...zero...just like your imaginary god...

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Adam and the Dinosaurs

by The Real Edward Gentry in

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here is a fascinating subject.

according to the bible , one of adam's first assignments was to name all the animals including the sea creatures and dinosaurs of course.

we don't know how long this took but, as all witnesses know, the time period is crucial in working out the timing of armageddon).

notsurewheretogo

Come on...Adam stopped naming anything one Eve appeared...pretty sure that is where the JW rule on oral sex comes from...

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BBC: Victims 'told not to report' Jehovah's Witness child abuse

by Lostandfound in

today on bbc news site http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42025255 sorry about typo in heading big story on bbc news in uk.

notsurewheretogo

Currently 8th in the most popular stories column...

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Science corner

by The Real Edward Gentry in

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on other boards and new sites they are talking about contact with aliens in the next 20 years.

i think that would be reckless and dangerous.

how could you tell if it was a genuine space alien and not a demon?

notsurewheretogo

You DO have your medication with you don't you? :)

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What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?

by UnshackleTheChains in

let's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.

they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.

they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).

notsurewheretogo

Sell everything and give the money to all those who have suffered child abuse and shunning at the hands of dubs...

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Some more background information on Geoffrey Jackson

by Listener in

born in 1955 jacko was baptized at 13 years of age in 1968.his life story, printed in the august 2015 watchtower doesn't state the year in which he married, it's fairly general when talking about it.

hmmm, i wonder why?i've come across a recording of an interview with jacko at a hall dedication in another part of the us in 2009 which provides some further information.he married his first wife, jenny, in 1974 at the grand old age of 19. no wonder they didn't want to print it in the watchtower.unfortunately his first wife, jenny, was diagnosed with cancer in 1999.in 2003 jacko was sent a letter from the gb stating he was being transferred to hq and his wife would be given appropriate work.

he initially didn't know why they were being called to hq as he felt they were being very productive in their fijian paradise, he states that they brought 75 people into the truth.

notsurewheretogo

This just highlights that the GB are full in....they are Captives to the Concept that they are chosen...the very fact that when the Charity Commission asked Jackson about Jesus using a scripture Jackson replied that he would like to ask Jesus the same question when he meets him soon.

Utterly deluded.

But the point about GB meetings is interesting too...I've sat in elders meeting where an elder with a dominant personality will get his way yet it is perceived as "Holy Spirit"...seems true of the GB, I can imagine tight pants Tony getting his way at GB meetings and yet Jackson would think it is indeed Holy Spirit.

Holy Shite more like.