Morpheus sums it up for me really.
As I said on other threads I have my own opinions but do not let them color my approach to Lloyd's work...I can see past the people and actually concentrate on the content.
And that is what matters really.
notsurewheretogo
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Lloyd’s new book
by jwfacts ini see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.
i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.
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Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?
by pale.emperor inso lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.
but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.
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@steve2 fair enough...that is a nice post you have put there.
I was not raised a JW, I became on at 20 and left at 36 and it took me no time at all to "leave" in all ways from the JW way of thinking and life because for the first 20 years I was "normal". :)
I may be a bit strong with comments above and that may not be fair to the man...but then I don't know him, all I can go by is what I see, what I read and any personal dealings I have had. The fact is anyone who puts themselves out there has to expect that some will like or not like what they do, how they do etc...that is life and the internet.
But Cedars, for all my opinions about him, is still achieving good with most of his work...I see past the man and look at his content and enjoy.
I think that is the most important thing.
I have a YouTube channel and do certain things on it, not related at all to JW's or activism and people are the same with me...some like me what I do how I do it etc and some do not...that is ok...if they don't want to see the content they don't watch it...if they do then great....it is no skin off my nose if they don't like it.
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Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?
by pale.emperor inso lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.
but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.
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I'm always interested when other people "know" someone's motive. I take it Lloyd hasn't ever said that's his motive - but one that's been imputed to him by someone else? Where have we heard that before? Ah yes! In JW organization where people habitually talk about other's motives and proceed as if a judgement is a fact..
We come from a background in which elders "knew" what our motives were and judged us accordingly - despite our offering assurances that we were not out to cause trouble.
Of course, I cannot say for sure that Lloyd's intentions are not to be the number one apostate and to make a living out of it. But then, who's motives in life are ever entirely pure? My view is if you have gifts or strengths in communication use them to the best of your ability. Just hope that others do not react with envy or attack your character when you do.So you need to "tell people" what your motive is for others to see it? No...depending on the type of person you are motives can easily be deduced and when you add the quality of having a large ego then you can't help your motive being easily seen.
I don't know his motive by hearing it from his lips but by gum I can see it clear as day...as I say it is not a bad thing really he wants to be number one apostate or make a living..it drives him on...I'm not overly judging him....just citing my opinion based on what I see from him and my own personal dealings with him (I've had a few).
And I debate his strengths in communication...he has put together some cracking videos for sure but equally some really bad ones that put off those "on the fence".
As I say I like some of his content but not the man himself in what I see and my personal dealings with him and the dealings I know he has had with others...it smacks of narcissism.
But don't judge me that I'm still judging others like JW's do...because that is utter shit...I just have opinions about the man based on personal dealings. His content, the most important thing, is relatively good.
Just because I think a person is a prick doesn't mean I envy them..it just means...I think they are a prick
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Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?
by pale.emperor inso lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.
but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.
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His motive is to be the number one "apostate" in the world and make a living off it.
He will continue to make books to do so...I'm sure he wants to help people see the WT for what it is too naturally but the man has an ego...it is there plain to see for all.
I simply enjoy some of his videos, I skip the ones I don't like and I have no need to give him my money or buy his books.... but a pretty young vlogger posts two YouTube vids and whamo...he has her on his channel.
I picked up on that too....as I said Cedars is easily read.
But you know if he wants to make a career out of being an activist and it helps people so be it...good luck to him...but I'm not a fan of the man...just some of his work....that is ok though.
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Demon dog
by lastmanstanding inlook at the picture for yesterday's watchtower study.
see the good jw folks sitting around the campfire..... zoooom in on that campfire.
have a good look..
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WTF?
I see a fire and nothing else...
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MPs demand action over Jehovah’s Witness abuse allegations March 26, 2018
by Not_Culty inthe guardian (uk), monday, march 26, 2018. mps are demanding government action after more than 100 people contacted the guardian with allegations of child sexual abuse and other mistreatment in jehovah’s witness communities in the uk.. “i am extremely concerned, but not surprised, by the allegations of child abuse within the jehovah’s witness movement.
whenever there is a closed society with an inherent power imbalance, the potential for abuse is there,” said the labour mp sarah champion.. she said she would be raising the issue in parliament and demanding that the government take actionto make sure all children were safe.. alex chalk, the conservative mp for cheltenham, said he planned to raise the issue in parliament, saying it was not just an historical issue but an ongoing child safety concern.. “my instinctive thoughts are that the sheer numbers and seriousness of the allegations coming forward is concerning ... if even half the allegations coming to light are true then it’s clear that an entrenched culture of cover-up and flawed in-house investigations continues to this day,” chalk said.. champion said she was concerned that victims had to report their abuse to elders, without independent scrutiny.. she also expressed concern that abuse claims can only be taken before a committee for investigation if there were two witnesses to it.
“abuse happens in the shadows, so to ask for a second witness is ludicrous and effectively prevents reporting,” champion said.. read full article:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/26/mps-demand-action-over-jehovahs-witness-abuse-allegations.
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Yeah...in the UK it certainly is starting to ramp up...about time!
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March 2018 Broadcast - When quotes become rumors
by Listener inthis months broadcast is presented by losche and he discusses the need for trust in the fds.
the following is transcribed from the 12.30 mark.. satan also has the scheme to spread rumors about our brothers including the faithful slave.
the method of spreading rumors is not new.
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Sometimes reference is made to certain quotes and readers then think 'how can a quote be a rumor?' A quote can be taken out of context. Critical reports often only give part of a matter and leave out other aspects. Often such rumors play on the emotions.
WTF? The GB actually said this?
When they themselves are the biggest bloody culprits!!!!
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notsurewheretogo
Lloyd Evans apologies always end up with him being the 'victim' and the other person being insulted for daring to question his godly status.
When has he apologized? And what for?
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If they are out of stock already then maybe we can Cedars to print some off for us?
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Please explain!
by Freedom rocks inhi please can someone explain this in laymans terms for me coz i be ever got it as a jw and still don't.
it doesn't make sense to me.
bible chronology indicates that god’s kingdom was established in heaven in 1914. this is shown by a prophecy recorded in chapter 4 of the bible book of daniel.. overview of the prophecy.
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The whole thing falls down with one simple fact proved beyond doubt...
The destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon was NOT in 607 BCE.
The very fact the WT used to teach it was 606 BCE until they realized that there was no zero year in between 1 BCE and 1 CE shows it is made up because they changed the start date of their prophecy, something set in stone in the past and documented by thousands of sources compared to changing the end date of their prophecy...something invisible.
We can all go into the crux of it but there is zero evidence anywhere that 607 BCE was the year Jerusalem was destroyed.