Posts by notsurewheretogo

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How on earth can WT lawyers continue to believe WT has God’s backing, when they see all the deception play out in Court.

by pistolpete in

here is a post on reddit from mark and kimmy o’ donnell, from the crusaders documentary,.

ask us anything.. mr. o'donnell gives his assessment of why wt lawyers continue to defend the child sex abuse cases that the organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court.

by an organization that claims to be god's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the truth.

notsurewheretogo

It’s not an experiment I would recommend, but if any one of us committed for one year to: go back to all the meetings, lots of preaching, pray often, Bible/Watchtower reading, watch all the videos, really put sincere effort into it, and completely avoid any apostate or hostile media, and never say a word against the society and refuse to listen to anyone else with any remotely critical comments about the truth.
At the end of a year, if you do those things faithfully and without exception, you will probably end up believing JWs have the truth all over again. In fact, you will be confused about how you could ever have been fooled by apostate lies in the past!

Nah no way. It really depends why you left and why you stopped believing.

Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 BCE and with that comes tumbling down the house of cards that this group are "chosen".

Going back a year and doing everything will not change that because they offer zero proof that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE.

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How on earth can WT lawyers continue to believe WT has God’s backing, when they see all the deception play out in Court.

by pistolpete in

here is a post on reddit from mark and kimmy o’ donnell, from the crusaders documentary,.

ask us anything.. mr. o'donnell gives his assessment of why wt lawyers continue to defend the child sex abuse cases that the organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court.

by an organization that claims to be god's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the truth.

notsurewheretogo

When JW's, legals or not, are "captive to the concept" that they are gods chosen channel as are the GB then it matters not what they teach or do because they are held captive to that concept.

It's cult mentality.

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The bus stop analogy

by slimboyfat in

suppose we were naïve observers, given the following data, and asked to draw a conclusion.

we see people gather at a busy bus stop several times a day.

at first one person, then another, and another, until they form a group.

notsurewheretogo

"There may be a deeper process at work here which accounts for the correlation of brain activity and thoughts that doesn’t necessitate one being caused by the other."

But whatever that deeper process is it will be related to the physical, biological and chemical components of the brain because if you take away the brain there is no thought or consciousness.

Consciousness is not separate from the brain. The relationship between the physical, biological and chemical makeup of the brain and "thoughts" or consciousness are clearly not understood fully but you cannot separate that process from out with the brain, its matter, its chemical and biological processes either.

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What would happen if the Watchtower decided no more meeting at Kingdom Halls, only Zoom?

by pistolpete in

i’m seeing my hard core believing relatives slowly losing faith that the watchtower is the organization that “god” is using to represent him on earth.. just about all the churches in their area have opened up.. but not the watchtower.. this is having an affect on the faith of even the old timers.

now the only ones who are still holding the faith are the female jws and only those past 70 years of age.

even my old male jw relative past 70 are starting to say that it can’t be jehovah’s organization because the other churches are all open and god supposed organization who is supposed to preach the warning message is still closed with no open in sight.

notsurewheretogo

The GB will see Zoom working to some degree and sell off the KH's and they will see the cash as more important than anything then a KH will then be shared among many congs and perhaps once a month they meet in it?

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The Evidence of Human Evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger

by Disillusioned JW in

despite the wt's and young earth creationists' teachings against human evolution (namely macroevolution from non-humans) being a reality, the evidence of human evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger.. consider for example two science news articles and one other science article, each pertaining to the fossil that is nicknamed "little foot".

below are links to three science articles, listed in order of the articles from oldest to newest (except i don't see a date for one of the articles).

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2187639-exclusive-controversial-skeleton-may-be-a-new-species-of-early-human/.

notsurewheretogo

JW's dismiss evolution along with many folks because they think evolution is a) a theory not proved and b) is the origin of life.

Facts show that evolution is true but it is simply the terminology of the word "theory".

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

Thus the theory of gravity, relativity and evolution fall into the above definition.

Most folks confuse the terminology of "theory" with "hypothesis" but a scientific hypothesis is the initial building block in the scientific method. Many describe it as an "educated guess," based on prior knowledge and observation. A hypothesis also includes an explanation of why the guess may be correct.

Evolution is NOT a "hypothesis" in the above definition.

Then there is the confusion between the origin of life, or more accurately the arrival of living matter from non living matter and evolution which discusses literally no part of that conversation.

The origin of living matter is Abiogenesis and whilst some disagree is mostly "hypothesis" by definition.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

notsurewheretogo

Eventually he openly opposed their doctrines and is now disfellowshipped.

True but he still supports 607 BCE as the destruction of Jerusalem.

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Why did Lloyd Evans say in one of his latest video

by mickbobcat in

so i was watching an evans video he just put out where he was interviewing a man about how the cult treated his daughter who was rapped as a criminal.

the man said his wife's first experience with an apostate site was here.

i could tell by the look on his face he did not like that site and then could not help himself and said that he could not recommend going to this site.

notsurewheretogo

I've had a few run ins with Cedars and emailed him and had posts on Reddit in similar manner to the older threads Simon posted on page 1..

Being honest it is ad hominem and I now see past the man and look to the actual content of his videos. If I like them I'll watch them and the ones I do not like I skip.

His videos, some of them, are good and get the point out which is far more important than whether I think he is a dick or not.

See the content...ignore the man...avoid the content if the man gets to you so much but most of us don't know him.

Life's too short!

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Governing Body; Villians or just Deluded?

by pistolpete in

are you sometimes dumbfounded at the direction the governing body takes?.

thousands of documents proving 607 bce is wrong, yet the gb sticks to the date, why?.

the generation that would not die, yet they continue by introducing an overlapping generation.. disfellowshipping at a time when everyone is leaving, not a good idea, yet they continue to disfellowship.. here is a video that addresses these questions.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbgeqhp9o9i.

notsurewheretogo

They believe 100% their own BS.

They are Captives to a Concept...great book by Don Cameron explains it all.

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Has anyone still in or otherwise heard anything about JWs think we only have 12 months before Armageddon?

by blablabluh in

i’ve noticed a change in family attitude recently, like there is just something extra on their mind.

i even had to call my brother to check if he was dying and too scared to tell me.

anyway, i saw a video last night my saying jws think we only have 12 months left before armageddon so thought maybe this is the reason for changes attitude.

notsurewheretogo

The GB 2.0 and the WT have to watch what they say...they can't be getting hopes up again by saying "the final part of the last hour of the last day of the last days" crap now in 2020 when in 2025 folks will remember this and more will wake up.

If the GB are intending to keep their dubs happy in the long term they need to shut up about any mention of where they think they are in any stream of time because time kills all cults...it kills their beliefs, doctrines and prophecies because they never ever come true.

This to me show the GB 2.0 are all in and all in for the short game...like a game of poker they have come this far and are putting everything in that very soon now the end will come.

In the next ten years you are looking at vast amounts of people posting on here and Reddit waking up trying to make sense that they still believe yet are seeing clearer and clearer something does not add up right.

This is why all cults change their doctrines. The WT has to change their 1914 reliance or time will simply make it obsolete.

Tick tock...

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

notsurewheretogo

If the WTS heads one day say we were wrong about 607 BCE, he in turn will say the same.

Well they have done so already...it was originally 606 according to the WT.

It's like me saying I'm 21 only to read my birth certificate and see I'm 22 then adjust my date of birth rather than accept I'm 22.