Posts by Elephant

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Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

(i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

Elephant

minimus

Elephant, the things you mention, were from Russellite days. The FDS doctrine has been a centerpiece of the Organization. And anyone who's been in the Organization for the last 50 plus years will realize that what they believed in yesterday wasn't even true.

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in regards to WHO the FDS, yes, i can perhaps see a point to your argument... except the FDS has been functioning all this time nonetheless...the religion that is Jehovah's Witnesses has not been replaced with a new religion all of a sudden, which is what you seem to imply...

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Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

(i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

Elephant

minimus,

are you sure?...why do you consider this to be more 'earth-shattering' than say, Russell's pyramid? date of great tribulation? date of armaggedon? 1914? etc. etc.?

...my guess is the org will be just fine with its current stock of literature...

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Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

(i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

Elephant

Sorry bro, kindergarten level logic says that if what you claim to have been "right" is negated by something else that is now "right", that first "right" must have been "wrong".

But I forget, logic is a nono in JW land....

...use all the kindergarden logic you seem fit bibiyan (no need to apologize) ...the reality is that 'change' has been implemented...much as it has before AND will be...(i'm assuming much to your chagrin...)

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Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

(i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

Elephant

bibiyan,

what you interpret as 'wrong' i can interpret as 'right'...

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Do You Realize That Almost EVERY Society Publication Is "Old Light" Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!

(i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.

Elephant

minimus-

The FDS doctrine is a core teaching unique to Jehovah's Witnesses and now I believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the Revelation Climax book, Ezekiel books---EVERY prophetic book written by the Society

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...may i point out that this has already been done before? recall what preceeded the Revelation Climax book? what about the Daniel, Isaiah, Family, Greatest man, greatest teacher? how about the Watchtower? Awake? etc., etc....

...afraid the dramatics are unjustified my friend...

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Do You Think All This New Light Will Rattle Any Of The Witnesses?

by minimus in

or do you think the sheeple will just follow the gb's words without question?.

Elephant

minimus,

a better question would be, WHY would it rattle any of the witnesses?...this 'new light' is, again, 'new interpretation' of a spiritual subject...it cannot be either proven false or true, the listener must decide and live accordingly...

...as stated elsewhere, individuals who consider themselves as annointed AND with a voice might feel slighted by this...but if I'm of the other sheep, (or annointed) what difference does it make? has my hope changed? is my future altered in any way ?

...i'll admit this makes for a very interesting conversation with fellow jw's and folks here...but (unfortunately for some) the bigger picture remains unchanged...

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

Elephant

endofmysteries -

If anybody has joined them or knows what I am talking about, just know this, within all those scriptures and the bible, there are scriptures that also speak opposite of what you believe. So the big pandora's box then becomes, which is right and which is wrong.

...a very good question...

...have you ever contemplated the ouroborus symbol?

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

Elephant

endofmysteries-

finkelstein, are you a mason? You are not speaking truth about what they believe. On the high levels they believe something else and for those who get to those levels it will make a lot of sense why they believe it. I am not going to get into it, but if you are, you are either a low level and haven't reached that mystery yet, or the information you've read was published by them to cover up, etc.

...well, well, what an interesting thread this is...

endofmysteries, the answer to your questions is a simple one...the masons believe...get ready for it...that you and i can become a god...its the oldest of philosophies (or mysteries)...break away from you shell, free yoursef from the confinements of your physical body and become a heightened sense of self...masons believe that through the proper channels you too, can become a god...its what the babylonians, egyptians, greeks, romans, etc, and yes...even the U.S. of A. believes...check out Washington D.C. ...

..the pyramid itself...its a symbol...thus you must see it with 'spiritual' eyes...it represents the same concept or philosphy...go through the phases of 'life' until you leave your physical and imperfect self or state and achieve a 'rebirth' or transformation into a spiritual and perfect state...the top of the pyramid, benben stone, phoenix, etc...

...is there little wonder why Russell adopted such concepts? if you study Jesus and his 'journey', you will understand further...

...i see ol' king solomon still thinks he's god (how ironic)

...christalone...i must say i agree with several points you've made in this thread...you've presented them very well.

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What did God accomplish with the flood?

by jam in

the purpose of the flood, because man grieved him to.

his heart, so he started over.

did his plan work?

Elephant

"Smmcroberts, I'm quite inclined to accept that he DOES believe that, but it's no sweat off MY nose if he chooses to believe in silly old myths that collapse under even the slightest breeze of a challenge from logic....

Elephant says stuff like this, as if it's compelling or deep (zen like?):

"God is God"

That indicates someone who relies on fallacious logic (circular reasoning, AKA begging the question, etc) routinely, without even so much as a bit of hesitation; thus it's going to take more than 6 months to get it together.

Start now, Elephant, as a mind is a terrible thing to waste."

..tsk, tsk, solomon...you fail to comprehend that in your acusation against my circular reasoning, you've done exactly the same...how many responses have you wasted already NOT answering (or even beginning to answer) my simple question?

..."God is God'...your interpretation of my statement is AGAIN...overanalized...it was MEANT to be simple, not deep neither zenlike...

...alas...you are the sad intelectual forever drowning in the proverbial 'glass of water'...

...yes solomon...your mind was a terrible thing waste....

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What did God accomplish with the flood?

by jam in

the purpose of the flood, because man grieved him to.

his heart, so he started over.

did his plan work?

Elephant

...salomon...

Elephant, the facts are out there (actually, they're HERE on JWN, as others have compiled the evidence here that's located elsewhere) but its going to take work for you to find the information, analyze, and understand. It's a long process, but hopefully you will do it, if only to avoid being the last one in your KH to figure it out. The sooner you learn it, the sooner you can make an informed decision about your life course"

...funny, this is the third time i've been given this 'answer' to a question in these boards...

...your hesitation is not very compelling...salomon...i've read your responses in other 'dense' (i believe was your word of choice ) threads...you are perfectly capable of providing evidence for your arguments...