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  Bethelite statistics

  by john.prestor in

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  hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).

  i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.

  does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?

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  john.prestor

  Hahaha, I know, I know, the chances are pretty slight of it working, but what the hell? :P
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  Bethelite statistics

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).

  i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.

  does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?

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  john.prestor

  I'm going to try and call the headquarters, let's see if they give me the run around.
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  Bethelite statistics

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).

  i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.

  does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?

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  john.prestor

  Gayle, I never even thought of including inflation in my calculation but that's crucial. As to your comment, Morpheus, et me check my copy of the Circuit Overseers secret handbook and see if there's not more specific figures in there. Perhaps they make more than bethelites.
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  Bethelite statistics

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).

  i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.

  does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?

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  john.prestor

  Dozy, you're definitely right, and I don't know to take that into consideration. I guess I just need to acknowledge that and try to find some sort of figure for New York as to average rent? I'm still thinking it out.

  new boy, that's also helpful information, thank you. By the way, loved your stories of Bethel!
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  Bethelite statistics

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).

  i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.

  does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?

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  john.prestor

  Thank you guys, so this is in line with what the Circuit Overseer told me, good. The Special Pioneer information is completely new to me, I thought they received the same 200-300, glad you mentioned that sir82. I also didn't know it varied by country fulano, that's important.

  What I'm trying to do is calculate figures as to how much a Bethelite could make outside of Bethel vs how much they make inside of Bethel to show how much the movement is saving/making off them, i.e., what exact amount it exploits from them. I'm going to use the NY minimum wage to calculate what an individual who works Bethelite hours would make outside Bethel (to my understanding, still about a 40 hour week, maybe a couple more from what I heard at an interest meeting at a convention), given how many Bethelites serve at Warwick, and then subtract what Bethelites make at Bethel from this figure (it's about 15k - 3k, so the movement saves/exploits them out of nearly 12k).
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  Bethelite statistics

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).

  i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.

  does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?

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  john.prestor

  It was that bad back then? Jesus. 14 a month? I would have recoiled too.

  I'm going off the 200-300 figure because that's what a Circuit Overseer told me in 2014 at a rural congregation when he visited; I was surprised he was so forthcoming, frankly. But that might not apply to Bethelites, of course.
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  Bethelite statistics

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).

  i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.

  does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?

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  john.prestor

  I make mention of them but because the movement sacked them I didn't include them in my analysis, which looks at exploitation in the movement based on figures from 2016 (i.e., figures from the movement's 2017 Yearbook). I include Circuit Overseers, Elders, and Pioneers in addition to Bethelites.

  Thank you for the interest, scratchme1010!
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  Bethelite statistics

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).

  i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.

  does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?

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  john.prestor

  Hey guys, I'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst Jehovah's Witnesses ( I'm also preparing a book about Jehovah's Witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about Jehovah's Witnesses and discrimination against women). I'm trying to calculate as exact figures as I can concerning how much Bethelites are paid. Does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now? If I recall its somewhere between $200 and $300 but I don't know exactly where it falls. Can anyone link me to a document or site which provides this amount? Or does anyone know the exact amount?
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  JWs studying with a neighbor: what should I do?

  by john.prestor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so let me introduce myself first: i've lurked here for years because i'm working on a long-term research project concerning jehovah's witnesses and i've collected data from this site (seriously, you guys are awesome, i've learned so much from this forum i never would have learned otherwise).

  i've also collected data at multiple kingdom halls and read scholarly works on jehovah's witnesses and non-scholarly works as well (e.g., crisis of conscience).

  so i have a pretty good sense of jehovah's witnesses even though i was not raised in this faith nor did i ever join up.

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  john.prestor

  Thank you Giordano, it was pretty nerve-racking but I thought, you know what, I'm not letting somebody else suffer through the kinds of things I did as a kid. No matter your age, sexual repression, guilt, and fear are unhealthy and help no one.
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  JWs studying with a neighbor: what should I do?

  by john.prestor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so let me introduce myself first: i've lurked here for years because i'm working on a long-term research project concerning jehovah's witnesses and i've collected data from this site (seriously, you guys are awesome, i've learned so much from this forum i never would have learned otherwise).

  i've also collected data at multiple kingdom halls and read scholarly works on jehovah's witnesses and non-scholarly works as well (e.g., crisis of conscience).

  so i have a pretty good sense of jehovah's witnesses even though i was not raised in this faith nor did i ever join up.

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  john.prestor

  Thanks for the warm welcome. I hope she stops by for coffee, she seems like a kind woman.

  At this point in the research I'm calculating the degree to which Bethelites are exploited by the movement. For instance, if an IT technician could normally be paid 50k outside the movement, and the movement pays them 3600 a year (going off what I think is the most generous salary the movement offers, 300 a month [does anyone have a specific figure and citation or source?] they're paid 3600 a year. Minus the two and the movement saves over 45k by employing them at sub-par wages.

  I was also able to include the secret rulebooks in my papers because of people linking to them on this site. Never knew of them before you guys.