Posts by john.prestor

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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

by Earthmeasured in

sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

john.prestor

Yeah, he doesn't come across like an Elder. In my experience most Elders speak with authority or gusto at least... this guy comes across as skittish.

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Hello

by Hendrixgrip in

hi, this is my long overdue introduction.

i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.

i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.

john.prestor

Hey man, welcome aboard. We're happy you're here, and more importantly, we're happy to hear you're happy living your own life. I really respect that, it's never easy to leave a faith you grew up in.

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My highlights from GB member Jackson's ARC testimony

by The Fall Guy in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwv8yntfto.

nice to review how one of the "faithful snakes" slithered when he was captive to being questioned.. at 40 seconds, he is asked to swear an oath - and he swears on the bible.

obviously jesus' words slipped his mind: matthew 5:34-37 - "however, i say to you: do not swear at all, neither by heaven.....nor by earth,.... just let your word ‘yes’ mean yes, your ‘no,’ no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one.

john.prestor

Exactly, we all know he's lying and now he looks like a spineless snake instead of an openly predatory (if cruel) fox.

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3 BOE's Just Arrived!

by Atlantis in

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john.prestor

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date Atlantis. Keep up the good work

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The downfall of the Governing Body

by john.prestor in

in a book i read a while back by the sociologist randall collins he says truly powerful people don't get angry because they get what they want in other ways, and he shows a picture of two runners where the one who's losing looks at the girl that passes her rather than ahead at the finish line, guess she doesn't wanna win the race after all.

i want to apply these to the governing body and their actions, the pattern of their actions, in printing all the hateful rhetoric against people like us and why l'm pretty sure, pretty damn confident in fact, it's all downhill from here... thanks to them and them alone.. the moment you let somebody get in your head and let them stay there they beat you, they win, they establish power, we got in their heads, they know we present a threat to them, we won't shut up, we're more brazen than we used to be, we're in the news, we're on tv, we're online we're at conventions we're in the kingdom halls, hell we're just about everywhere.

yeah, we don't have this completely down yet, sometimes we come on too strong or do something stupid, and i'm pointing the finger at myself here too, but for the most part we know how to fight this battle: we drag them into the light when they wanna hide in the dark like jackals lurking in the woods sneaking up on weak and wounded deer.

john.prestor

Making sandcastles on the beach Finkelstein... and here comes the tide.

steve2, Diogenesister, dreamerdude, thanks for the encouragement guys. It helps me press on in my academic work, which isn't always easy I gotta tell you.

Diogenesister, I never thought of it that way but you're right, we're looking to protect Jehovah's Witnesses by revoking the two witness rule and yet the Governing Body still wants to pretend they're doing an excellent job already, I'm thinking of Steven Lett saying "if anyone takes action to protect our young ones it's Jehovah's organization." What action, Steven? What action have you taken?

steve2, I'm with you there, the organization's growth in the mid-20th century was impressive, no denying that, but it's time for it to change and grow and yet... we only see stagnation. They could always throw out a new date for Armageddon, they teased 2034 a while back and Flodin hinted at 2040 but the Governing Body hates looking like idiots (too late) and they would have to own the date like they owned 1975. I can't see them doing that.

Brokeback watchtower, right, that's part of the problem, the only way you get in the driver's seat of the chariot so to say is to kowtow to the driver for years, never questioning their direction or where they're going... Too bad.

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The downfall of the Governing Body

by john.prestor in

in a book i read a while back by the sociologist randall collins he says truly powerful people don't get angry because they get what they want in other ways, and he shows a picture of two runners where the one who's losing looks at the girl that passes her rather than ahead at the finish line, guess she doesn't wanna win the race after all.

i want to apply these to the governing body and their actions, the pattern of their actions, in printing all the hateful rhetoric against people like us and why l'm pretty sure, pretty damn confident in fact, it's all downhill from here... thanks to them and them alone.. the moment you let somebody get in your head and let them stay there they beat you, they win, they establish power, we got in their heads, they know we present a threat to them, we won't shut up, we're more brazen than we used to be, we're in the news, we're on tv, we're online we're at conventions we're in the kingdom halls, hell we're just about everywhere.

yeah, we don't have this completely down yet, sometimes we come on too strong or do something stupid, and i'm pointing the finger at myself here too, but for the most part we know how to fight this battle: we drag them into the light when they wanna hide in the dark like jackals lurking in the woods sneaking up on weak and wounded deer.

john.prestor

MeanMrMustard, Victor, Rules and Regulations, you're right. They'll shrink and dwindle into obscurity, I'd give them a hundred more years, maybe even two or three hundred. Look at Calvanism, there's a few of them out there still but they've lost all influence nobody pays attention to them anymore or believes much less knows what they have to say. And yet they shaped the course of history back in the 17th century by fueling the Protestant revolution. Let Jehovah's Witnesses burn down to ash, to a few smoldering motes. The bells already rolling their end. The night is over, and the sun rises slowly, ever so slowly but yet triumphant, out of the darkness.

Biahi, slimboyfat, Totally Still ADD, thanks for your kind words. We fight together, all of us now.

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The downfall of the Governing Body

by john.prestor in

in a book i read a while back by the sociologist randall collins he says truly powerful people don't get angry because they get what they want in other ways, and he shows a picture of two runners where the one who's losing looks at the girl that passes her rather than ahead at the finish line, guess she doesn't wanna win the race after all.

i want to apply these to the governing body and their actions, the pattern of their actions, in printing all the hateful rhetoric against people like us and why l'm pretty sure, pretty damn confident in fact, it's all downhill from here... thanks to them and them alone.. the moment you let somebody get in your head and let them stay there they beat you, they win, they establish power, we got in their heads, they know we present a threat to them, we won't shut up, we're more brazen than we used to be, we're in the news, we're on tv, we're online we're at conventions we're in the kingdom halls, hell we're just about everywhere.

yeah, we don't have this completely down yet, sometimes we come on too strong or do something stupid, and i'm pointing the finger at myself here too, but for the most part we know how to fight this battle: we drag them into the light when they wanna hide in the dark like jackals lurking in the woods sneaking up on weak and wounded deer.

john.prestor

In a book I read a while back by the sociologist Randall Collins he says truly powerful people don't get angry because they get what they want in other ways, and he shows a picture of two runners where the one who's losing looks at the girl that passes her rather than ahead at the finish line, guess she doesn't wanna win the race after all. I want to apply these to the Governing Body and their actions, the pattern of their actions, in printing all the hateful rhetoric against people like us and why l'm pretty sure, pretty damn confident in fact, it's all downhill from here... thanks to them and them alone.

The moment you let somebody get in your head and let them stay there they beat you, they win, they establish power, We got in their heads, they know we present a threat to them, we won't shut up, we're more brazen than we used to be, we're in the news, we're on TV, we're online we're at conventions we're in the Kingdom Halls, hell we're just about everywhere. Yeah, we don't have this completely down yet, sometimes we come on too strong or do something stupid, and I'm pointing the finger at myself here too, but for the most part we know how to fight this battle: we drag them into the light when they wanna hide in the dark like jackals lurking in the woods sneaking up on weak and wounded deer. That's why they're always ranting and raving about us in their magazines, throwing little verbal tantrums and hissyfits like the spoiled brats they are, got used to their cushy lifestyle and they're afraid they'll lose it. They focus and fixate on us, we're in their head and they can't get us out. And all they do by printing those ad hominem attacks and pedantic name-calling is raise people's curiosity, at least, the one's who know something's wrong already and can and will wake up when they're good and ready.

More people than we think already got a good measure on them, that's why the Governing Body started hurting for money in 2015 and revealed themselves as the televangelists they made themselves so they could see their image on the screen like some new world Narcissus, what fools, they have no charisma no charm no confidence, they either drone in monotone or look downright bizarre and fake, Stephen Lett anyone, none of them can compete with a Joel Olsteen type, they don't have the looks either... and we all know it. Gerrit Losch won't appear in court but tells school children to debate their teachers on evolution? Tony Morris flees a journalist in the street after making up some pretense about going upstairs to preach the good news of the kingdom? Pitiful. Just pitiful. They're no Charles Taze Russell openly debating ministers and writing editorials, putting his name to a photodrama he played all around the United States, they're no Joseph Rutherford broadcasting his caustic speeches all over the radio like James Penton put it. They have no pride they have no spine, they're no longer an asset to the company. They wallow in anger. We're deep in their head and we ain't coming out until we drive them absolutely mad.

We will win in the long run as long as we fight in the light and play by the rules, not their rules but the state's rules because enough states are getting wise to them too, and soon I expect they'll take them down slowly, revoke their charity status, hell, maybe lock a few of them up even, the Australian Royal Commission already made them look like fools and called them out on their cruelty and nonsense. I can't wait till more states climb on board the ship we chartered and sail into a new and brighter future.

We've already won. To the vast apostate army whether we call ourselves that or not: all hail the underdogs, all hail the new kings.

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Jesus H Christ's Custody Battle

by garyneal in

it's been a while since i posted here but i ran across a youtuber who is going through a custody battle against his wife who is in a religious cult.

he did not mention the name but it sounds like the jehovah's witnesses.

i've researched this in the past myself but was wondering if anyone here has had any knowledge or prior experience with situations like this.. the fact that his own parents have sided with her over this due to him being out is disgusting.

john.prestor

Most people pick themselves over others. They pick their paradise that never comes, their immortality, over the only immortality they'll ever know.

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Same Talks Again and Again

by Akid48 in

hey i’m back i know it’s been a long time since i’ve posted on the form but a lot things have been happening so i haven’t had much time to post.. ive been 14 for awhile now makes me happy because i’m getting closer to being able to get a job and work my way out of this.. i have meetings on saturdays now which is horrible because i rather have it on sunday because it’s already a sad day because i got to go to school the next day.three of our public talks have had different brothers saying the same thing talking about the signs of the end days.the thing that gets me is when they always try and bank on the earthquake part i mean i’m really into science so i already knew a lot about plate tectonics sea floor spreading etc but you get taught this in school.with plates always moving divergent convergent transform etc there will be earthquakes it’s the effect of plates moving against or rubing on each or going back into the mantle(subduction zones) it happens.so when there’s a report in japan of a lot of earthquakes it must be the end times!no japan is located on four plates it’s going to experience big earthquakes.. i don’t know that just gets under my skins when they try and say it’s the end days because of the earth having natural things happen like plate tectonics is something that’s been happening recently no we might have gotten our hands on the technology to spot earthquakes recently but this has been happening for millions of years.. speaking of years i hope you all have a great 2019 and i’ll definitely post more of my thoughts this year..

john.prestor

Akid48: last piece of advice I'll give. If the cards come down like that, if you can walk away from the table or stay and lose more money, quite literally, lose your earning potential and pick a family that won't pick you ("create a rift"), pick yourself. Apply to colleges, move, work hard, and live the real "real life" the Governing Body always promises but never dishes out.

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What Will Take Away The Reins Of Power From This Delusional Bunch Of Governing Body Saints?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

will it be the complete and utter mismanagement of child abuse issues due to a total disregard for children and not wanting to bringing reproach upon corporate jehovah's name?.

or will it be some other thing?

i strongly think the governing body's days as g. o. d. are numbered due to their complete incompetence to rule a corporation, brought on by a big and getting bigger shadow, and a persistent denial of anything negative about their corporation's claims to be god's earthly organization.

john.prestor

I'm with zeb, it's pretty clear by now that non-elite Jehovah's Witnesses won't rise up against the Governing Body and throw them down, not literally, but just draw a line in the sand like, We won't send you another dollar unless you get rid of disfellowshipping. People who get tired of being mistreated leave; those who don't, don't. So I think a government would need to force their hand to bring about change of any kind. Maybe, just maybe, them going bankrupt could make them change things too.