Yeah I picked up on that too WillYouDF me, their wording is very... clever, he "may" never qualify for privileges, the Elders "may" inform parents. In other words, they might, they might not. He might, he might not. Shameful.
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May 2019 child abuse WT
by neat blue dog inthe new study edition watchtower is up, and most of it is devoted to child abuse damage control.. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/.
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Events leading to my decision to disassociate
by Roger Kirkpatrick infollowing is a summary of events leading up to my decision to disassociate from jehovah's witnesses and the unforeseen results of that decision.. a young man named joel engardio produced a documentary about jehovah's witnesses called "knocking" which aired nationally on pbs.
i purchased the dvd from joel before it was even released and we exchanged emails.
joel had been raised by his jw mother and had been active in jw activities during his adolescence, but he was never baptized as a jw.
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john.prestor
Roger, you made the right decision. I respect that you chose your own way, and when you wanted out, you got out. Keep living your life for you.
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May 2019 Watchtower doubles down on the "Two Witness Rule" !
by stuckinarut2 inthis is simply disturbing and infuriating!.
the may 2019 wt has defiantly and arrogantly been released by the gb, and it is full of their disgusting excuses for not complying with authorities!.
(i have seen and read all the articles, but cant work out how to upload a link here - perhaps someone can assist?).
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john.prestor
Much of what the Governing Body says (indirectly, anonymously) in those articles sounds good: show compassion, believe children, help them see they're not responsible, send them a card or bake them a meal, that kinda stuff. But their galling unwillingness to change the two witness rule shows their true feelings: they care little to nothing for children's well-being. The Governing Body might be indoctrinated and stubborn and arrogant but they aren't braindead: it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a child molester won't molest a child in front of a witness. They know by now that their policies don't protect children, the ARC spelled that out for them 4-5 years ago now, they just pretend not to or they don't care and either way the end result is the same: pedophiles preying on children with immunity. These people should be in prison. How dare they tell Jehovah's Witnesses that Elders "immediately" spring into action when a child comes forward when so much evidence worldwide proves that's the exception, not the rule, and they know, they absolutely know, that that's the sad state of affairs within the "Christian congregation" today.
God, they make my blood boil. Lock um up, all 8 of them, and throw away the key.
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Interesting post regarding validity of CSA claims in ARC
by berrygerry inone of the key submissions to the arc was a document wat.0021.001.0001, which is a spreadsheet summarising the 1006 case files subpoenaed from the wt's australian branch and is available on the arc website.
i had a detailed look at the data and discovered a few things that may be of interest:.
although the 1006 cases cover reports made in a 65 year period from 1950 to 2015, almost half of all cases (449) were first reported in the 10 years from 2000 to 2009 and 87% were first reported after 1990.. the two witness rule was a factor in preventing at least 125 cases from proceeding to a judicial committee.. there were 163 cases with 336 victims where the perpetrator was an elder or ms.. the total number of victims was 1,858.. from time to time on this forum i have read comments suggesting that false reports of child sexual abuse are quite common.
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Thank you for posting this. Thank you for standing up for the victims of child sex abuse, who the Governing Body and many Elders won't lift a finger to help.
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G.B.Are they Manipulative Lying S.O.B.`s / Not Genuine in their Beliefs ?
by smiddy3 ini raise this question for many reasons really ,thinking back on their past history and how they have responded to past failures .that they explain away as human imperfections.. on the one hand they claim to be gods spokesperson on earth .the only true religion god is using to dispense his truths at the proper time.
and that members of the gb are the f&ds class assigned to do this.. or do they deliberately manipulate witnesses vulnerability about world events ,disasters ,earthquakes etc ,to prey on those fears about the gt /armageddon.. that they are constantly warned about .
and that it is impending.. producing videos that show how jw`s will be persecuted round up and imprisoned simply for being a jw .on a worldwide scale .. the bunker video ?.
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slimboyfat, I'm with you there, and I see that fatigue on Morris's face too, he doesn't smile much, his voice waivers, there's no enthusiasm in his words... maybe all his tight pants rants wore him out, but more likely it's just old age, and him being more and more aware of how he looks to outsiders what with all the child sex abuse lawsuits. In general terms, things aren't going as planned anymore.
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G.B.Are they Manipulative Lying S.O.B.`s / Not Genuine in their Beliefs ?
by smiddy3 ini raise this question for many reasons really ,thinking back on their past history and how they have responded to past failures .that they explain away as human imperfections.. on the one hand they claim to be gods spokesperson on earth .the only true religion god is using to dispense his truths at the proper time.
and that members of the gb are the f&ds class assigned to do this.. or do they deliberately manipulate witnesses vulnerability about world events ,disasters ,earthquakes etc ,to prey on those fears about the gt /armageddon.. that they are constantly warned about .
and that it is impending.. producing videos that show how jw`s will be persecuted round up and imprisoned simply for being a jw .on a worldwide scale .. the bunker video ?.
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It's a complicated situation and I tend to weigh in on the side that they kind of know they're full of it but they kind of believe it too.
It comes down to Orwellian doublethink. In the novel 1984 the inner party which controls the government of Oceania riles up the outer party about Oceania conquering their enemies to distract them from the horrendous treatment they receive at their own hands, torture, malnutrition, no freedom of speech or assembly, etc. and the considerably better lifestyle the inner party enjoys, better food, larger apartments, chauffeurs and servants, so on and so forth.
Later on in the novel a guy named 'Goldstein' writes that the inner party knows Oceania can't and won't conquer their enemies, they're too formidable and there's too many of them and if they do the outer party will turn on the inner party, but at the same time the inner party believes they will anyway.
You can't get onto the Governing Body without spending decades 'slaving' for Jehovah (their term), which means keeping your mouth shut and doing whatever the present leadership says (so during the present Governing Body's time that was Knorr and then Franz and then the first Governing Body). So they have to believe it at some level, or they couldn't get into that boardroom. But at the same time, do they know that they continue to enjoy a pretty cushy, leisurely, sonewhat luxurious lifestyle because they convinced the faithful that the end is near, and they're they're such wonderful stewards of Jehovah? Yeah, they know that. They know that damn well, and that's why they keep getting so freaked out about the lack of donations and begging for more and more as they begin to grasp that the end may really arrive, their end, not this system's.
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what are the craziest or most daming watchtowers ever printed?
by Tobyjones262 inso what is your favorite crazy or most damning watchtower?
i can think of a few but one i went out and bought the bound vol for was the 1984 the generation that will not pass away.
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I see your point Beth sarim, they definitely printed that not inspired or infallible thing as a get-out-of-jail-free card for whatever situation. I don't see them orchestrating another Jonestown, from everything that's gone on with child sex abuse it's pretty damn clear these people want to stay away from the courts (and prison...) as much as possible, so I dont see them ordering a mass suicide even if the thought occurred to them, and I don't think it does. They strike me more and more as men who love constant adulation and glory, and they lose all that the second they order their faithful worshippers to kill themselves.
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''Special Letter'' to be Read In Canada Week of Feb 3,2019
by Beth Sarim ini have just been informed that there is a 'special letter' to be read at the meetings week of feb 3,2019 in canada.
anybody heard of this!!
just a heads-up!
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Honestly, they say special this and special that all the time, and it's (almost) always the same old thing, the kingdom's close, the work's expanding, the chariot's on the move. Don't hold your breathe.
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this weeks video on older ones stepping down
by road to nowhere inwhat i caught was how they were baffled by having to be in "the world".
then any and all help came from friends offering money, food, apartments, jobs.
can't anyone see how they people are used up and then discarded?.
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That fits with some of the Witnesses I ran into during my study, a guy who did everything in the congregation, and I mean everything, admitted to me behind closed doors that he worked part-time for most of his life but started working full-time recently, because, he implied, he got the sense he would need it come retirement (a sure sign he didn't see Armageddon as just around the corner). Most Witnesses I spoke to took the head in the sand attitude, they just went with what the Governing Body told them whether in talks or magazines, they didn't seem to question it much less even think of questioning it. I don't get that mentality either.
I can't listen to that kind of stuff for very long either it's so... grating, I can't imagine letting someone talk to me like that long-term. The Baptist pastor I grew up with used to preach like that, he wasn't quite that bad but you could hear it in his voice from time to time, he talked down to us. A lot of high-ranking Brothers, those "taking the lead," seem to delight in talking down to the faithful.
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The King of the North has now entered into the 'land of decoration' (the Spiritual Estate of Jehovah's People) - Annual Meeting
by Listener inthe final part of the october, 2018 annual meeting has now been released of jw org tv.the following includes a transcript of mark sanderson's speech for those that don't want to listen to the broadcast.. we have long held that the land of decoration is the "spiritual estate of jehovah's people"... now brothers what can we say about all these events that have taken place (referring to recent events in russia) in such a short period of time?
well, truly, if you're a student of the history of god's organization, you can say these events are unprecedented in our history.
we've never seen a country or a territory with 175,000 witnesses of jehovah go under ban.
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Yeah, it sure is interesting how Sanderson and his buddies tell Russian JWs to endure persecution and keep preaching and meeting and what not, but as soon as they might throw him in jail... goodbye Russia.