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  Is The "Report" Book (1994) Prophetic About Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  steel.

  so ubm here.i have a jw wife who in 10 years of marriage i have never seen actually read the bible, never given a witness to me, never had a biblical discussion.

  for a number of years now hardly even reads the magazines.

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  john.prestor

  Can you pass me the blunt when you're done?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

  utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

  yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

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  Finkelstein, that's exactly what coercion looks like: obey or die.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

  utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

  yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

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  john.prestor

  Yeah, the right choice meaning the choice we want...

  LongHairGal, I see your point, that is coercive if others try to pressure you to do what they want using little looks, snide remarks, that kind of thing. Glad you didn't listen either.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

  utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

  yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

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  john.prestor

  Thanks jp, I appreciate that. I'm totally with you, emotional coercion is still coercion and that's what disfellowshipping amounts to, a way of punishing you socially. They say it's biblical, that's besides the point, it reinforces the rule of the Governing Body and that's why they keep it around.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

  utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

  yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

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  john.prestor

  So in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive. Utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the Freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.

  In a paper I wrote for a class a while back I argued that Jehovah's Witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization. Yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either. But that doesn't change the fact that the Governing Body and other elites tell Jehovah's Witnesses that if they leave Jesus will kill them at Armageddon. In my mind that's the essence of coercive. In fact, what could be more coercive? Just last year Kenneth Flodin got on JW Broadcasting, compared a wine glass to lax Witnesses, and then smashed it on the floor and gave the camera a long dark stare. Now Tony Morris tells audience he's going to help Jesus kill unbelievers at Armageddon, and the Watchtower prints the same thing, along with colorful illustrations of the carnage, the kind of suck stuff they showed kids in the 60s and 70s, I mean, can you make more blatant threats?

  Jehovah's Witnesses don't qualify as a voluntary organization, period. There's no real difference between telling someone your friends (Jesus and his angels) will kill them soon and you'll kill them soon, and besides... the Governing Body already said they would kill the unspecified 'wicked' any day now on multiple occasions.
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  Awake! No. 2 2018 on marriage

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i'm sitting here at the laundromat waiting for the bus, there's a kingdom hall across the street and somebody must come in here regularly cause i found about five different magazines hanging out on a counter by the door and three different jw.org business cards pinned to a bulletin board.

  i picked up an awake!

  for the hell of it, i could use a good laugh, and i ran across this right away in the article '12 secrets of successful families', yeah, you can probably tell where this is going:.

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  To me it comes down to what they want and why they write something like this. They want to make people weak and submissive, it's not just about women, they try to make the men like that too, and it means people walk all over you becauss you never stand up for yourself, you dont think you should, you don't know it's an option. The Baptists raised me like that and it took me ages to figure out why people harassed me on the street and walked in front of me or outright made fun of me. When I stopped acting submissive and weak, I started acting more dominant, and now people show me respect.

  Their advice sets people up for abuse. That's why it upset me.
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  Would this scenario make a totally devout JW renounce their faith?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we’ve all heard the stories of someone pointing a gun at a jw telling them to renounce their faith or die.

  some live to tell about it, others don’t.

  but what makes it seem easier to stomach is it just involves that person, no one else.

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  john.prestor

  It's impossible to say the situation won't ever occur *shrug*
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  JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
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  for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

  if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

  when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

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  I always felt this sense of unreality when I would sit at a circuit assembly and some Elder would get up there on the platform and start talking about how they don't listen to men, as they listen to men telling them they don't listen to men.
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  Awake! No. 2 2018 on marriage

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i'm sitting here at the laundromat waiting for the bus, there's a kingdom hall across the street and somebody must come in here regularly cause i found about five different magazines hanging out on a counter by the door and three different jw.org business cards pinned to a bulletin board.

  i picked up an awake!

  for the hell of it, i could use a good laugh, and i ran across this right away in the article '12 secrets of successful families', yeah, you can probably tell where this is going:.

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  john.prestor

  I trashed them, those things are... sneaky.
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  Awake! No. 2 2018 on marriage

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i'm sitting here at the laundromat waiting for the bus, there's a kingdom hall across the street and somebody must come in here regularly cause i found about five different magazines hanging out on a counter by the door and three different jw.org business cards pinned to a bulletin board.

  i picked up an awake!

  for the hell of it, i could use a good laugh, and i ran across this right away in the article '12 secrets of successful families', yeah, you can probably tell where this is going:.

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  john.prestor

  It's allow yourself to be wronged, I miswrote that.