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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Anders Andersen: Excellent response, and I'm glad you familiarized us with that information!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: shame and domination

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to suggest something that i've been ruminating on for a while now.

  that involves the possibility that when jehovah's witnesses look for "sheep-like ones" what they're actually looking for is this: those who will allow themselves to be dominated (get rid of things that god "hates," accept the movement's beliefs without protest, not check into the movement's history) and those who are willing to be shamed (letting jehovah's witnesses into their homes when doing so is looked down upon in secular society, talking with them on the street when everyone else avoids them).. i say this because from what i observed at the kingdom halls i attended in the course of gathering data for my research i saw:.

  -frequent shaming: jehovah's witnesses must do more to be acceptable to god, they are "good for nothing slaves," they are spared through armageddon by jehovah's "undeserved kindness," etc.

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  Yeah, in my experience it's not a compliment... Same with being compared to a child: I didn't say anything when a Jehovah's Witness I liked said that my watching David Splane's "overlapping generations" chart during a JW Broadcasting party was "like feeding a baby steak," but I felt insulted.
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  JWTALK?

  by charonsdog in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just got my first peek at jwtalk via a link posted elsewhere.

  i have been hearing about this forum for a while now, but never checked it out.

  my question is this: is this site sanctioned by the wbts/gb/fds/yhwh?

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  john.prestor

  No, the site isn't sanctioned by the Governing Body. But the moderators keep a pretty tight leash on the members, banning those who express unorthodox opinions.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  john.prestor

  Doubter, I'm getting tired of arguing with you. Now, you'll accuse me of not being able to convince you, and you're right, I can't: you don't want to be convinced. But let me state this very clearly: Jehovah's Witnesses have a very serious problem with child abuse, and we know it, because there's ample evidence, evidence that we've cited or provided for you.

  Wake up. Stop making apologies, in the Greek sense, for an organization that has allowed pedophiles to prey on children.

  So, I won't be replying any more. Bye for now.
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  Female JW parking "attendants"

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was shocked recently to see on social media a couple pictures of jw sisters at a convention working as parking "attendants".

  i put that title in quotation marks because they still don't get the official attendant badge like the male parking attendants do, only the reflective vest.

  has anybody else heard of this .

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  john.prestor

  Finkelstein... Back room, now! :P
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  Female JW parking "attendants"

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was shocked recently to see on social media a couple pictures of jw sisters at a convention working as parking "attendants".

  i put that title in quotation marks because they still don't get the official attendant badge like the male parking attendants do, only the reflective vest.

  has anybody else heard of this .

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  john.prestor

  In a leaked video uploaded to YouTube by Lloyd Evans ("John Cedars") the organization instructs attendants that they can use women to help individuals in and out of their vehicles, I believe, but that these female helpers can't tell anyone what to do.... I wish I was kidding.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  john.prestor

  The Australian Royal Commission. Have you read their findings and/or watched their proceedings? The latter can be found on YouTube.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  john.prestor

  No, Doubter, you evidently don't. Your remark about "imperfect" organizations suggests that you're a Jehovah's Witness who sees your organization as fallible when you want it to be fallible, and infallible when you want it to be infallible; that is, you engage in double-think.

  Answer the question: why should the government not investigate an organization that, in other places in the world, on the basis of corporate policy, has turned a blind eye to the abuse of children? Your position is frankly astonishing and the definition of callous. If you yourself were abused by an Elder, you would think differently.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  john.prestor

  Doubter, why on earth would you be implicitly be opposed to such an investigation? Comparable investigations in other countries have turned up many, many cases of child abuse that went unreported.
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  Fred Franz Former Training in Ancient Greek

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone been able to verify that fred franz received the minimal training in ancient greek that he claimed gave him the expertise to translate the bible?

  you would think that would be fairly easy to verify or disprove in this day and age.

  what college did he attend?

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  john.prestor

  I haven't been able to find much information on Fred Franz in any scholarly source.