I get that this guy pisses everybody off, but I would really encourage other posters to stop responding to him. He's a sophist of the worst kind. The investigation will go on and should go on no matter what 'Doubter' has to say.
john.prestor
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Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community
by Anders Andersen intoday a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.
the politicians also let themselves be heard.
a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.
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Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community
by Anders Andersen intoday a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.
the politicians also let themselves be heard.
a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.
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john.prestor
I don't honestly think we should bother with this guy, he has no counter-evidence of his own to discredit the investigation, just an obvious desire to exculpate Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm bowing out.
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Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community
by Anders Andersen intoday a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.
the politicians also let themselves be heard.
a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.
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john.prestor
What does that have to do with anything? Your 'arguments are nothing more than unfounded hypothetical and empty speculations.
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Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community
by Anders Andersen intoday a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.
the politicians also let themselves be heard.
a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.
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john.prestor
You're a child abuse apologist, Doubter, and we don't look kindly upon you.
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Don't even try it!
by JTrottigy inthere are many here who think they can infiltrate my web-site.
be warned that we administrators of jwtalk call the listed congregation on your application for membership in our site to verify if they know you!.
some of you have slipped through the cracks and got into our site, but rest assured, we will find you out and ban you!.
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john.prestor
I'll give the OP this, they really did commit to this...
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Hatred From My Children for Not Leaving the Organization Earlier
by new boy ini'm not proud of the fact that it took me over 50 years to realized what the organization really was and to finally leave it.
not proud at all, i feel pretty stupid.
however i didn't lose my children.
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john.prestor
New boy, you and your son are going to be okay in the long-run. You'll talk to him, you'll apologize, you'll hear him out, and you guys will move past this.
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Hatred From My Children for Not Leaving the Organization Earlier
by new boy ini'm not proud of the fact that it took me over 50 years to realized what the organization really was and to finally leave it.
not proud at all, i feel pretty stupid.
however i didn't lose my children.
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john.prestor
I would strongly encourage you to apologize to your son, to the degree that you feel comfortable. By acknowledging his anger you'll help him move past that. If you don't acknowledge his anger, he's going to stay angry most likely, and that will impede your ability to have a relationship with him. You did play a part in raising him, and it's clear that you feel regret and some responsibility. Just tell him that.
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Western MA Regional Convention: anyone attending?
by john.prestor ini'm considering attending the regional convention in western ma at umass amherst's mullins center in two weeks, both out of my typical curiosity and to see the degree to which they've increased security.
the convention is going on from friday to sunday, that being august 3rd to august 5th.
is anyone on here planning to attend and/or protest?
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john.prestor
I'm considering attending the Regional Convention in Western MA at Umass Amherst's Mullins Center in two weeks, both out of my typical curiosity and to see the degree to which they've increased security. The convention is going on from Friday to Sunday, that being August 3rd to August 5th. Is anyone on here planning to attend and/or protest? I would be interested in connecting.
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Why are JDubs scared to death of apostate websites?
by Sour Grapes inwhen i was an elder back in the 1970's i loved to debate and challenge ministers, preachers, and holy rollers.
now you can be a loyal jdub fully indoctrinated for 30 years but just take a peek at an apostate website and you are doomed.
yes, satan now has you by the gonads and all of the years of being at the meetings, all of the family worship nights, all of the conventions, and all of the personal study just go up in a cloud of smoke.
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john.prestor
Jehovah's Witnesses make many, many sacrifices in their efforts to obtain paradise, and in the process thereof can see themselves as special, as superior to non-Witnesses, as belonging to 'the greatest organization in the universe.'
Apostates call this into question and can bring this entire house of cards tumbling down given their knowledge of the movement's history and foibles. Beyond the Governing Body's warnings to avoid such sites, which leads Jehovah's Witnesses to fear detection and discipline, there is also, I suspect, a natural fear of having their faith undermined and called into question, which inevitably affects Jehovah's Witnesses confidence and self-respect, if not pride. Apostasy is not just an intellectual issue for Jehovah's Witnesses: it's deeply personal.
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The Repression and Expression of Anger Among Jehovah's Witnesses
by john.prestor insomething which i always found surprising when i attended the kingdom halls i studied was how angry, even vicious, many jehovah's witnesses could become when a watchtower study featured some persons and/or institutions the organization disapproved of, say, higher education and educators, christendom and its clergy, apostates, etc.
many seemed to sadistically enjoy denigrating these persons or institutions when the watchtower study conductor called on them and they were handed a microphone.
i wondered for a long time where this anger came from, and i've developed a hypothesis for explaining this.. according to a book i'm reading by alice miller called "for your own good: hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence," children who are strictly controlled and abused (whether emotionally or physically) typically go on to unleash the anger they inevitably felt at their parents, but were never allowed to express, at their children or those around them.
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john.prestor
Spiral: that's great! I've found it fascinating for understanding my own childhood. I hope that Sister came to see it applied to her own religion too, not just the national religion of Nazi Germany (to which it certainly applies).