I guess whatever the Elder has to tell himself to cope with the loss of his hall, but, yeah, as the OP pointed out to him and us, his explanation doesn't explain anything.
john.prestor
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Wtia! There's More! I have another why you can't reason with a JW ...
by nowwhat? inso i see an old friend who's an elder in his hall at the ca.
his cong just recently got evicted from their kingdom hall.
and he is just giddy about it.
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Was disfellowshipping really sanctioned by God? Please share your honest views according to your Bible views
by Strugglingrsa inwhat were the writers of the bible telling christians when they wrote : “stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.” (1 corinthians 5:11) regarding everyone who “does not remain in the teaching of the christ,” we read: “do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.
for the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.” (2 john 9-11.
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john.prestor
The OP weighed the dice in their own favor by the very phrasing of their question: "What were the writers of the Bible telling Christians when they wrote..."
Slow down a minute. You're referring to two writers, the apostle Paul and "the Elder," that's who claims to be writing 2 John, which apparently means "[John] the Elder," a disciple (not apostle) that the church fathers Papias and Polycarp learned from directly or indirectly. Who are these authors writing to? Paul writes to the Corinthian church, whereas "[John] the Elder" writes to "the lady chosen by God and her children" (NIV).
So the OP is already taking a bit of a leap when they say these writers were writing "to Christians." They're only writing to Christians in general if you interpret the Bible as God-inspired or God-breathed or whatever term you want to use. If you don't, then you have to take the writings at face value, which means Paul wrote to the Corinthian church of the 1st century, and "[John?] the Elder" wrote to whoever "the lady chosen by God and her children" refer to, maybe, and that's a big maybe, the Ephesian church/church in Ephesus (I've read up on this and even in the 2nd century Christians didn't know who the author was or who the author was writing to or about and they've been debating it ever since; heck, the ex-Catholic theologian Alfred Loisy thinks the letter is a forgery and was never actually written to anyone and I'm inclined to believe him).
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Armageddon has started in Astoria, Queens
by ShirleyW innow we know that the con ed plant in astoria, queens had an explosion, but before anyone knew what the heck was going on, so many people were posting on social media their pictures of the "strange blue circle light" that was in the sky this evening,usually st. johns which is near me has a fireworks display after a game, i thought this doesn't look like fireworks, much brighter and no sound, it actually looked like it was 4pm in the afternoon right before the sun leaves the sky.. i live in the jamaica section of queens (just up from trump's foot dr. if you saw that article in nytimes.
com the other day) and haven't lost power but laguardia is dark now, no flights in are out.
just wondering how the old school dubs that saw the lights outside window, thought "finally, the big a is here" !.
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john.prestor
Just wishful thinking and probably the longing to know they're not making so many sacrifices for nothing. Fundamentalist Baptists are the same way, a preacher I heard said one Sunday he heard a train whistle in the middle of the night and thought it was an angel blowing a trumpet to signal Jesus return or something like that.
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Update on Scary Experience
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara inupdate on this:.
just been to the police station with my friends where we were asked individually to identify aknife.
it looks identical to the one we saw.
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john.prestor
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here but yeah I'd like to know where the park is too.
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These days it not really that hard being a witness.
by I believe in overlapping inif you are a true believer, then you are toast.
because you will be a slave to everything the watchtower, circuit overseers, elders, pioneers, imply.
believe me, there are not many true believers anymore, and the majority of them are old.
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john.prestor
The OP: 'Older JW single girls have always been col with me and have never spilled the beans'
Yep, totally believable you're legit Brother Fonzie.
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What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.
by fulltimestudent inthe national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
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john.prestor
Perry, your claims are bunk and so are Habermas's. I'm not surprised by anything you said, I've heard it all before in one form or another during the 16 years my family raised me as a fundamentalist. It didn't convince me then, it doesn't convince me now. Please stop proselytizing on this forum.
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Crazy WT stories
by scruffmcbuff indennis was offered £5 by cool kids smoking pot and fornicating.
he turned it down and went to read the wt as he turned the page.
what did he see?a £5 note.
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That's a creepy thing to say, isn't it? He's threatening the guy!
He said: One day in the new system, I'm gonna live in this big house
Translation: Soon God will kill you at Armageddon and Ill take your empty home.
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What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.
by fulltimestudent inthe national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
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john.prestor
Perry: no, you can't. Those are all based on whether or not you accept the gospels and some other New Testament texts as true... which I don't. I've been around and around in circles with apologists before on this site and you've already taken the thread far off track, so, peace out.
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Crazy WT stories
by scruffmcbuff indennis was offered £5 by cool kids smoking pot and fornicating.
he turned it down and went to read the wt as he turned the page.
what did he see?a £5 note.
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john.prestor
Gorbatchov, speaking snakes in Africa? You gotta elaborate man!
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What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.
by fulltimestudent inthe national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
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john.prestor
I haven't watched the video but I've read through and heard a ton of these apologetic arguments during my time as a fundamentalist Baptist. They're not convincing, there's no tomb attested to before the 4th century when Constantine's crazy mother went to Jerusalem and found everything from Jesus' cross to John the Baptist's sandals (kidding about the last one).
Did early apostles claim Jesus was resurrected? They did. Why did they claim he was resurrected? Because by reading into Old Testament scriptures through an allegorical lens they reached that conclusion, read the first couple chapters of Hebrews for example. There is very little evidence of a historical Jesus (Josephus was tampered with probably by the church father Eusebius in the 4th century, I can go into more detail) or any historical 12 (a late legend given away by numerous lines of evidencs I can also go into, the twelve play next to no role in the earliest gospel Mark or any other, most are just names on a page, and there's enough of their bones floating around to build a Brontosaurus).
I've read on this stuff for years, and trust me: I wanted to believe it. It's not believable.