See, that's over the top. I'm not saying Jehovah's Witnesses shunning people can't drive them to suicide, I'm sure that happens. But what will non-Witnesses think seeing someone call the nice and nicely-dressed people 'potential murderers'? It sounds absurd. It's a bold statement, but they should have left it at 'My daughter was induced to suicide,' that speaks for itself.
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WT Study October 2018....spinning ''layoffs'' into ''reassigning'' ex-Bethelites ''to the field''
by RULES & REGULATIONS inwt study october 2018. maintain inner peace despite changing circumstances.
lloyd and alexandra learn that they have been reassigned to the field, they at first felt sad.
after all, they had been serving at bethel for over 25 years.
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Rules and regulations, if that doesn't reveal the bottom line I don't know what does. Your mothers died, we kicked you out of Bethel, but hey, at least you can make us a couple new converts, when are they gonna start tithing? Oh wait we don't call it tithing, we call it voluntary donations... as if donations could be involuntary...
Hemdrixgrip, I respect that man, he's obviously in a rough situation and if he doesn't make the cuts they're probably gonna cut him. But he is complicit, you're right about that.
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WT Study October 2018....spinning ''layoffs'' into ''reassigning'' ex-Bethelites ''to the field''
by RULES & REGULATIONS inwt study october 2018. maintain inner peace despite changing circumstances.
lloyd and alexandra learn that they have been reassigned to the field, they at first felt sad.
after all, they had been serving at bethel for over 25 years.
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I'm afraid I sound like a broken record but I just wish the author(s) would own what high-ranking Brothers decide, I imagine Branch Committee members lay people off, could be wrong but... why all the passive language? They never say who decides to lay people off, its ' have been reassigned,' 'were informed', ' a change in our theocratic assignments,' etcetera ad nauseum. Who reassigned them? Who informed them? Who made the change? Just own that you're laying people off with no jobs to fall back on after they gave you years of their life so you can sit around in cushy chairs and work in well-kept offices and never worry about where your next meal comes from. These people, man, seriously. They drive me up the wall.
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Hello
by Hendrixgrip inhi, this is my long overdue introduction.
i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.
i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.
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Hendrixguy, you got it down: don't live your life to piss them off (I mean, if it does you should chuckle a little and then move on, hahaha), live it because you like it, because it's you. It took me a long time to figure that out.
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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?
by Earthmeasured insorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.
im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.
i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.
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Yeah, he doesn't come across like an Elder. In my experience most Elders speak with authority or gusto at least... this guy comes across as skittish.
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Hello
by Hendrixgrip inhi, this is my long overdue introduction.
i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.
i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.
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john.prestor
Hey man, welcome aboard. We're happy you're here, and more importantly, we're happy to hear you're happy living your own life. I really respect that, it's never easy to leave a faith you grew up in.
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My highlights from GB member Jackson's ARC testimony
by The Fall Guy inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwv8yntfto.
nice to review how one of the "faithful snakes" slithered when he was captive to being questioned.. at 40 seconds, he is asked to swear an oath - and he swears on the bible.
obviously jesus' words slipped his mind: matthew 5:34-37 - "however, i say to you: do not swear at all, neither by heaven.....nor by earth,.... just let your word ‘yes’ mean yes, your ‘no,’ no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one.
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Exactly, we all know he's lying and now he looks like a spineless snake instead of an openly predatory (if cruel) fox.
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3 BOE's Just Arrived!
by Atlantis in2019 literature requests inventory guidelines.
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Thanks for keeping us up-to-date Atlantis. Keep up the good work
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The downfall of the Governing Body
by john.prestor inin a book i read a while back by the sociologist randall collins he says truly powerful people don't get angry because they get what they want in other ways, and he shows a picture of two runners where the one who's losing looks at the girl that passes her rather than ahead at the finish line, guess she doesn't wanna win the race after all.
i want to apply these to the governing body and their actions, the pattern of their actions, in printing all the hateful rhetoric against people like us and why l'm pretty sure, pretty damn confident in fact, it's all downhill from here... thanks to them and them alone.. the moment you let somebody get in your head and let them stay there they beat you, they win, they establish power, we got in their heads, they know we present a threat to them, we won't shut up, we're more brazen than we used to be, we're in the news, we're on tv, we're online we're at conventions we're in the kingdom halls, hell we're just about everywhere.
yeah, we don't have this completely down yet, sometimes we come on too strong or do something stupid, and i'm pointing the finger at myself here too, but for the most part we know how to fight this battle: we drag them into the light when they wanna hide in the dark like jackals lurking in the woods sneaking up on weak and wounded deer.
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Making sandcastles on the beach Finkelstein... and here comes the tide.
steve2, Diogenesister, dreamerdude, thanks for the encouragement guys. It helps me press on in my academic work, which isn't always easy I gotta tell you.
Diogenesister, I never thought of it that way but you're right, we're looking to protect Jehovah's Witnesses by revoking the two witness rule and yet the Governing Body still wants to pretend they're doing an excellent job already, I'm thinking of Steven Lett saying "if anyone takes action to protect our young ones it's Jehovah's organization." What action, Steven? What action have you taken?
steve2, I'm with you there, the organization's growth in the mid-20th century was impressive, no denying that, but it's time for it to change and grow and yet... we only see stagnation. They could always throw out a new date for Armageddon, they teased 2034 a while back and Flodin hinted at 2040 but the Governing Body hates looking like idiots (too late) and they would have to own the date like they owned 1975. I can't see them doing that.
Brokeback watchtower, right, that's part of the problem, the only way you get in the driver's seat of the chariot so to say is to kowtow to the driver for years, never questioning their direction or where they're going... Too bad.
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The downfall of the Governing Body
by john.prestor inin a book i read a while back by the sociologist randall collins he says truly powerful people don't get angry because they get what they want in other ways, and he shows a picture of two runners where the one who's losing looks at the girl that passes her rather than ahead at the finish line, guess she doesn't wanna win the race after all.
i want to apply these to the governing body and their actions, the pattern of their actions, in printing all the hateful rhetoric against people like us and why l'm pretty sure, pretty damn confident in fact, it's all downhill from here... thanks to them and them alone.. the moment you let somebody get in your head and let them stay there they beat you, they win, they establish power, we got in their heads, they know we present a threat to them, we won't shut up, we're more brazen than we used to be, we're in the news, we're on tv, we're online we're at conventions we're in the kingdom halls, hell we're just about everywhere.
yeah, we don't have this completely down yet, sometimes we come on too strong or do something stupid, and i'm pointing the finger at myself here too, but for the most part we know how to fight this battle: we drag them into the light when they wanna hide in the dark like jackals lurking in the woods sneaking up on weak and wounded deer.
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MeanMrMustard, Victor, Rules and Regulations, you're right. They'll shrink and dwindle into obscurity, I'd give them a hundred more years, maybe even two or three hundred. Look at Calvanism, there's a few of them out there still but they've lost all influence nobody pays attention to them anymore or believes much less knows what they have to say. And yet they shaped the course of history back in the 17th century by fueling the Protestant revolution. Let Jehovah's Witnesses burn down to ash, to a few smoldering motes. The bells already rolling their end. The night is over, and the sun rises slowly, ever so slowly but yet triumphant, out of the darkness.
Biahi, slimboyfat, Totally Still ADD, thanks for your kind words. We fight together, all of us now.