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  The Truth about the bible

  by TTWSYF in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.

  they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.

  they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].

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  No, it didn't come from Peter. That's a late tradition based on

  -The 2nd century Acts of Peter in which Peter goes to Rome and performs all sort of absurd miracles like raising fish from the dead and battling Simon Magus in the sky and making dogs talk. The claim that the Catholic church began with Peter

  -Pope Anecitus in the late 2nd century who during an early power struggle over when Jesus died claimed Peter founded the Roman church to back up the day Roman Catholics celebrated, Nisan 13, to try to trump the Asian churches who claimed John as their founder and said Jesus died on Nisan 14; king trumps queen, Peter trumps John, both being equally bullshit claims.

  Go find me a source before Anicetus or Acts of Peter who claims Peter founded the church at Rome. You won't find one because he didnt. Everybody and their brother traced their authority to one apostle or disciple or another by the mid-2nd century.
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  The Truth about the bible

  by TTWSYF in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.

  they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.

  they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].

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  Yeah, pretty much, you're right on the money. To be fair, early on a sort of quasi-canon developed naturally which included texts most Christians don't consider 'scripture' anymore, 1 and 2 Clement, the Shepherd of Hermas, the Apocalypse of Peter, the Epistle of Barmabas (great reading on the last one, you'll hear how God doesn't want men to get blowjobs) alongside the new testament we know today, although many church fathers questioned the value of James, Jude, 2 and 3 John, etc. But the church fathers accepted those last ones eventually and pushed out the first, and then outright banned and cursed texts a lot of Catholics read and believed in, the Acts of John and acts like that, the Gospel of the Hebrews, etc.

  The Bible contains an artificial selection of texts the Catholic church chose because it reinforced and legitimized their power. That's all it is.
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  Lazy field service

  by Addison0998 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did anyone else have really lazy people in their congregation when it came to the field circus.

  people where i live are shamelessly lazy, they drive door to door even when the houses are 3 feet apart!

  yes even in town houses they drive door to door.

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  I never heard of commenting on obituaries online, that's pretty tasteless... How did people respond?
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  What to do when running in to a JW you know...How is this for a suggestion ?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. experiences

  hey all,.

  so i have recently seen quite a few jws that were former friends in our community.

  i am always polite and say hello - although most will not acknowledge me.

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  john.prestor

  Yeah, I think that's a good way to approach it, treat them with kindness, show them you're enjoying your life, tell um they can enjoy it too.
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  Daro Weilburg! I want to report this guy to his elders

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
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  daro weilburg is a jw apologist on you tube.

  to be honest i really can’t stand the guy, and i want to report him to his local elders, as he knows full well he shouldn’t be making these videos.

  so anyone know his local area or a contact number for his kh.

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  john.prestor

  Don't play like them if you don't like the way they play.
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  Is The "Report" Book (1994) Prophetic About Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  steel.

  so ubm here.i have a jw wife who in 10 years of marriage i have never seen actually read the bible, never given a witness to me, never had a biblical discussion.

  for a number of years now hardly even reads the magazines.

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  john.prestor

  Can you pass me the blunt when you're done?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

  utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

  yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

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  Finkelstein, that's exactly what coercion looks like: obey or die.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

  utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

  yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

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  Yeah, the right choice meaning the choice we want...

  LongHairGal, I see your point, that is coercive if others try to pressure you to do what they want using little looks, snide remarks, that kind of thing. Glad you didn't listen either.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

  utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

  yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

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  Thanks jp, I appreciate that. I'm totally with you, emotional coercion is still coercion and that's what disfellowshipping amounts to, a way of punishing you socially. They say it's biblical, that's besides the point, it reinforces the rule of the Governing Body and that's why they keep it around.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

  by john.prestor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

  utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

  yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

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  john.prestor

  So in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive. Utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the Freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.

  In a paper I wrote for a class a while back I argued that Jehovah's Witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization. Yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either. But that doesn't change the fact that the Governing Body and other elites tell Jehovah's Witnesses that if they leave Jesus will kill them at Armageddon. In my mind that's the essence of coercive. In fact, what could be more coercive? Just last year Kenneth Flodin got on JW Broadcasting, compared a wine glass to lax Witnesses, and then smashed it on the floor and gave the camera a long dark stare. Now Tony Morris tells audience he's going to help Jesus kill unbelievers at Armageddon, and the Watchtower prints the same thing, along with colorful illustrations of the carnage, the kind of suck stuff they showed kids in the 60s and 70s, I mean, can you make more blatant threats?

  Jehovah's Witnesses don't qualify as a voluntary organization, period. There's no real difference between telling someone your friends (Jesus and his angels) will kill them soon and you'll kill them soon, and besides... the Governing Body already said they would kill the unspecified 'wicked' any day now on multiple occasions.