I was PIMO for many years, basically to preserve my marriage. It was a pretty awful experience. Looking back, it wasn't worth it.
Outahere
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How many are PIMO ??
by Phizzy ini know we cannot answer this, how many are physically in, mentally out (pimo), but i heard an amazing piece of news the other day.. an ex-p.o and ex-elder, a long time regular pioneer, and when i knew him a stalwart believer, went for a drink with another jw who has actually left, but is not df or anything.. in the course of conversation he came out with this bombshell "well, i am actually an atheist now, i just go along to keep my wife happy".. i also heard of a number of youngsters that i know personally who are simply living their life as they want, whilst making sure they don't get df'd for family and social reasons.. if as it seems the pimo's are a huge number, could there be a huge " awakening" where they all realize they are in a huge group, and they all say " eff it, lets call it a day on all the jw s**t ".
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wishful thinking, but.....just possible ?.
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Physical Symptoms with the mention or thought of Borg, JW, etc
by CovertsadJW ingood morning , .
does anyone else have physical symptoms with the mention of jw ,borg, wt, etc.
my wife mentioned that we should study the watchtower with the kids and just the thought made me physically anxious and mildly nauseated.
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I was quite tolerant of this guy until now
by never a jw inpresident trump is definitely a demagogue, a populist, and not a great extemporaneous speaker, just to mention few of his more conspicuous flaws.
however, i was going along because "it's the economy stupid".
now that has changed.
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Because we in the U.S. believe in free trade far more than the E.U. If they want to go off a cliff, then let them go. Free trade allows the consumer to buy the best mousetrap at the best price possible. Free trade benefits consumers more than anyone else. What's wrong with that??
Gotta be the stupidest comment on this thread...as if there were no negative externalities to the cheap price of imported Chinese shit, like having our industries gutted by protectionist trading partners, along with the attendant wage stagnation and job losses, with resulting broken homes, opioid addicts and meth heads.
The second bill George Washington signed as President was a tariff. On July 4 1789:
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I was quite tolerant of this guy until now
by never a jw inpresident trump is definitely a demagogue, a populist, and not a great extemporaneous speaker, just to mention few of his more conspicuous flaws.
however, i was going along because "it's the economy stupid".
now that has changed.
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Outahere
During the Davos World Economic Forum, Ross conveyed to the larger multinational interests an explanation of the high-level shift in U.S. trade policy, and reinforced the Trump Doctrine of economic nationalism.
Secretary Ross told the panel: “The Chinese for quite a little while have been superb at free-trade rhetoric and even more superb at highly protectionist behavior. Every time the U.S. does anything to deal with a problem, we are called protectionist.”
“Protectionists” the opposition was predicted to shout by Ross in January. Well, cue the audio visual demonstrations over the past few days surrounding Steel and Aluminum tariffs.
Also at Davos in January, after three decades of President Trump outlining his trade views, secretary Ross accurately said President Donald Trump has a forceful leadership style that some people don’t like. “We don’t intend to abrogate leadership, but leadership is different from being a sucker and being a patsy. We would like to be the leader in making the world trade system more fair and more equitable to all participants” Ross said.
Secretary Ross also challenged the panelists, including World Trade Organization Director-General Roberto Azevedo and Cargill Inc. CEO David MacLennan, to name a nation that’s less protectionist than the U.S. – – – He got no responses.
Not taking any guff, Secretary Ross then cited a study of more than 20 products that showed China had higher tariffs on all but two items on the list, and Europe all but four. The panel sat jaw-agape at Ross’s delivery of irrefutable facts to the audience. “Before we get into sticks and stones about free trade we ought to first talk about, is there really free trade or is it a unicorn in the garden,” said Ross. Again, no response from the panel.
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I was quite tolerant of this guy until now
by never a jw inpresident trump is definitely a demagogue, a populist, and not a great extemporaneous speaker, just to mention few of his more conspicuous flaws.
however, i was going along because "it's the economy stupid".
now that has changed.
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Outahere
The standard of living has gone consistently up for everyone, everywhere. The rich has acquired wealth at a faster pace than the rest of us, but the standard of living of just about everyone has gone up.
http://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/
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I was quite tolerant of this guy until now
by never a jw inpresident trump is definitely a demagogue, a populist, and not a great extemporaneous speaker, just to mention few of his more conspicuous flaws.
however, i was going along because "it's the economy stupid".
now that has changed.
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Outahere
Free-Trade is a Two-Way Street
China, the EU and other trading partners put up formidable barriers to imports from America.The Trump administration last week celebrated the workers and businesses that make this country great. The purpose of “Made in America Week” was to recognize that, when given a fair chance to compete, Americans can make and sell some of the best, most innovative products in the world.
Unfortunately, many governments across the globe have pursued policies that put American workers and businesses at a disadvantage. For these governments, President Trump and his administration have a clear message: It is time to rebalance your trade policies so that they are fair, free and reciprocal.
Many nations express commitment to free markets while criticizing the U.S. for what they characterize as a protectionist stance. Yet these very nations engage in unfair trading practices, erect barriers to American exports, and maintain significant trade surpluses with us. They argue that our $752.5 billion trade deficit in goods last year was simply a natural and inevitable consequence of free trade. So, they contend, America should have no complaints.
Our major trading partners issue frequent statements regarding their own free-trade bona fides, but do they practice what they preach? Or are they protectionists dressed in free-market clothing?
When it comes to trade in goods, our deficits with China and the EU are $347 billion and $146.8 billion, respectively. As the nearby chart shows, China’s tariffs are higher than those of the U.S. in 20 of the 22 major categories of goods. Europe imposes higher tariffs than the U.S. in 17 of 22 categories, though the chart does show that the EU and China are much different regarding tariff rates.
The EU charges a 10% tariff on imported American cars, while the U.S. imposes only a 2.5% tariff on imported European cars. Today Europe exports 1.14 million automobiles to the U.S., nearly four times as many as the U.S. exports to Europe. China, which is the world’s largest automobile market, has a 25% tariff on imported vehicles and imposes even higher tariffs on luxury vehicles.
In addition to tariffs, both China and Europe enforce formidable nontariff trade barriers against imports. Examples include onerous and opaque procedures for registering and gaining certification for imports; unscientific sanitary rules, especially with regard to agricultural goods; requirements that companies build local factories; and forced technology transfers. The list goes on.
Both China and Europe also bankroll their exports through grants, low-cost loans, energy subsidies, special value-added tax refunds, and below-market real-estate sales and leases, among other means. Comparable levels of government support do not exist in the U.S. If these countries really are free traders, why do they have such formidable tariff and nontariff barriers?
Until we make better deals with our trading partners, we will never know precisely how much of our deficit in goods is due to such trickery. But there can be no question that these barriers are responsible for a significant portion of our current trade imbalance.
China is not a market economy. The Chinese government creates national champions and takes other actions that significantly distort markets. Responding to such actions with trade remedies is not protectionist. In fact, the World Trade Organization specifically permits its members to take action when other countries are subsidizing, dumping and engaging in other unfair trade practices.
Consistent with WTO rules, the U.S. has since Jan. 20 brought 54 trade-remedy actions – antidumping and countervailing duty investigations – compared with 40 brought during the same period last year. The U.S. currently has 403 outstanding orders against 42 countries.
But unfortunately, in its annual reports, the WTO consistently casts the increase of trade enforcement cases as evidence of protectionism by the countries lodging the complaints. Apparently, the possibility never occurs to the WTO that there are more trade cases because there are more trade abuses.
The WTO should protect free and fair trade among nations, not attack those trade remedies necessary to ensure a level playing field. Defending U.S. workers and businesses against this onslaught should not be mislabeled as protectionism. Insisting on fair trade is the best way to ensure the long-term strength of the international trading system.
The Trump administration believes in free and fair trade and will use every available tool to counter the protectionism of those who pledge allegiance to free trade while violating its core principles. The U.S. is working to restore a level playing field, and under President Trump’s leadership, we will do so.
This is a true free-trade agenda.
https://www.commerce.gov/news/opinion-editorials/2017/08/free-trade-two-way-street
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I was quite tolerant of this guy until now
by never a jw inpresident trump is definitely a demagogue, a populist, and not a great extemporaneous speaker, just to mention few of his more conspicuous flaws.
however, i was going along because "it's the economy stupid".
now that has changed.
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Protectionism never works.
Except it worked for much of American history, and the history of other countries, too. We used to fund the government with tariffs instead of income taxes and the country boomed for many decades.
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Moravec's Paradox
by Coded Logic inthis seems to be yet another nail in the coffin for creationist arguments.
the reason humans are intelligent isn't because we need brains capable of appreciating "gods creation".
rather, it's a side effect of needing large amounts of computational power for our highly refined motor skills.
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Consider a relatively simple task - like picking up a glass of water. This requires the use of our primary motor cortex, our supplementary motor cortex, our premotor cortex, our posterior parietal cortex, and our occipital lobe. This over half of our brain.
A finch can pick up a piece of straw and weave it into a nest with a brain smaller than the tip of your small finger.
Though I'm sure by then creationist will have switched their arguments from "mankind is gods special creation" to "god wants all species to appreciate his creation"
They could be at our level at some point, but considering, after nearly 4 billion years, that technological life has only happened once, it is highly highly unlikely.
Especially not octopi and corvids. They won't be composing haikus in a million years no matter what.
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Moravec's Paradox
by Coded Logic inthis seems to be yet another nail in the coffin for creationist arguments.
the reason humans are intelligent isn't because we need brains capable of appreciating "gods creation".
rather, it's a side effect of needing large amounts of computational power for our highly refined motor skills.
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Outahere
Rather, it's a side effect of needing large amounts of computational power for our highly refined motor skills.
Many lower animals (with lots less "computational power") are capable of feats that require excellent motor control. They don't necessarily qualify as "intelligent" in the human sense. And the motor control cortex of the human brain is only a small part of the total structure.
"it is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers, and difficult or impossible to give them the skills of a one-year-old when it comes to perception and mobility."
Because you can't work on a solution if you don't understand the problem. You can't code what you can't codify. Much of what we are able to do depends o unconscious knowledge that's difficult to codify (since we do not consciously execute an algorithm).
Polanyi: We know more than we can tell
http://infed.org/mobi/michael-polanyi-and-tacit-knowledge/
Which has lately been called a paradox:
http://philosophicaldisquisitions.blogspot.com/2015/10/polanyis-paradox-will-humans-maintain.html
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Republicans Are Not Welcome!
by minimus inthe owner of the used apple store in derry new hampshire has put on his facebook that republicans are evil and they are not welcome in his store.
he has done tv interviews now saying that republicans simply should not try to come in and he can generally tell if someone is a republican.
it is interesting that a business owner can bar someone because of their political opinions but if a business owner conscientiously couldn’t make a cake for a gay couple,they are in legal jeopardy..
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Outahere
Go to a different crApple store.
