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  Another diabolical, disingenuous, nutcase illustration

  by Beth Sarim in

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  this has been weighing on my mind all day,.

  i just have to vent and get this off my chest.. the latest jw brainwashing, indoctrination session i think it was a broadcast.

  toward the end where the speaker was spouting-off about being in a 'race' again and 'enduring until the end',.

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  It's like being in a dream, where no matter how much you run you never get any closer to your destination. Treadmill and hamster wheel are the proper analogies for it.
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  Smiddy3: And if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?

  By definition, something that was designed would require a designer. The question is better asked: is our physical reality designed? I am not sure that question can be answered, because we can define "god" in so many ways as to make anything possible. But until we find something that continued and persistent research shows had to be designed, we are free to disbelieve in a designer/creator.

  The fact that the universe exists means that we have to accept that there was always something out there, or that it somehow appeared out of nowhere. None of these concepts make sense to me. Telling me that a god always existed and decided (after a literal eternity) to create a universe and populate one microscopic dot with beings that he would then take an inordinate interest in-- I can't wrap my head around it. At the same time, telling me that the universe -which is larger and more massive than I can possibly comprehend- was born from a dot that held all of its mass and was so tiny as to also be incomprehensible... same problem. I can't wrap my head around it.

  Now, the difference is that the latter idea has proponents who have to demonstrate how they came to that conclusion. And even when their ideas become strong enough to gain acceptance, they can always be challenged as we learn more or when someone takes a different approach and gets useful answers. Science is wrong a lot of the time, which is part of the process of learning. The scientific method is a reliable way of learning, but it requires time and effort and will always be affected by people who make mistakes and by people who deliberately mislead others. It is superior to an approach that says "this ancient book has all the answers, they're just subject to the correct interpretation-- good luck with that!"

  I leave the details to those who actually study the relevant fields of science. I don't have to prove that someone doesn't exist or that something didn't happen. If you cannot prove that someone does exist, or that something did happen, then I'm not concerned with what your book says about me or my future, or the future of my world.
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  Jehovah's New Light

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

  the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

  the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

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  Don't feel bad, Smiddy. My mother was one of many whose faith was only made stronger by the failure of 1975. To this day, she pretends that she understood that they were not making any predictions of the end, and she waits breathlessly for Armageddon, which is surely almost upon us.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  LMsA: Oh boy did he fail miserably in this regard:

  It's possible that he is being the best dad and husband he can be. It's just that his potential is limited to being really bad at both. Some people just really suck at things that almost everyone else manages to do a decent job of.

  I mean, it's either that, or he's a filthy, lying douchebag. Okay, that might be a false dichotomy. He might simply be a miserable failure, as you said. Any other options? It's not looking good for the "best dad/husband" candidate of 2019!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  DerekMoors: aided and abetted by Richard Kelly and AAWA

  I suppose it's fitting that Evans would get his start by working with someone named R. Kelly.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  ForeverAlone: @TonusOH Who is this "anyone" that tried to say he used "other" funds?

  I don't recall who or where, I just remember either Evans or some others putting forth the idea that he wasn't using Patreon funds and that he made enough from YouTube to cover any such costs. The idea was to split hairs and demonstrate that he was not misusing Patreon funds.

  It may have been in response to some posts in this topic where it was being wondered if that might be a violation of Patreon terms or possibly even the law.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Diogenesister: But anyway any number of professions, particularly those connected with child welfare, expect some degree of ethical behaviour in your private life.

  ...and since he depends on donations/views, the obligation to him is not nearly the same as it would be if he was a salaried worker. His financial supporters are not his boss, but the terms of their support are also very limited. Any individual supporter can withdraw their support at any time and for any reason. For example, if he told me that his funds were his to do with as he pleased and that he could use them to buy sex, I could cancel my subscription or quit watching his videos. And he could do nothing to stop me.

  That was one of his early missteps, pretending that he could tell his patrons to mind their own business without facing consequences. 500+ lost patrons later, he has been shown to be quite wrong about that.
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  Jehovah's New Light

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

  the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

  the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

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  joey jojo: The anointed will all be gone before Armageddon.

  Are you sure? Their number seems to increase every year. I'm looking forward to the day when the number of participants at the memorial reaches 144,001.
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  Watchtower/GB use Memorial to do SATAN'S work!

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. bible

  the cult's dogma claims the exodus foreigners were not participants of the law covenant and use it is an antitype to prove the “other sheep” are not participants of the new covenant - wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6. their demonic dogma is then enforced annually via the org's anti-christ ritual - the memorial of christ's death - to compel jw's to reject christ and the new covenant.. deuteronomy 29:10-15 screams “liars” & "offspring of vipers" at the watchtower hierarchy!.

  are jw's too blinded to read and understand the bible for themselves????????????.

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  BoogerMan: Are JW's too blinded to read and understand the Bible for themselves????????????

  Too afraid. Remember that the WTS makes it clear that only the GB can interpret scripture and that anyone who does so on their own is at risk of disfellowshipping, possibly for apostasy. Thinking for yourself is a sure way to get kicked out of a cult.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I recall when there was an attempt to claim that his YouTube income was sufficient to cover his visits to sex workers. This was after the livestream. But in his livestream (which was on YouTube) he never mentioned his YT income. He said that he did not have to account for how he spent the money he was given, in response to people who were referring to Patreon, not YT. He implied that his "earnings" were like those of any salaried worker, his to do with as he pleased.

  If he, or his supporters, want to pretend that he wasn't using Patreon funds to pay hookers for sex (or "dates" ) then they're ignoring the way he spoke about it in his livestream. Only afterwards, when the realization hit that his patrons might not see it the same way, did anyone try to make it seem as if he only used other funds to pay for sex.