Posts by TonusOH

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Nephilim...Only desired females

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

bible questions answered.

who were the nephilim?.

the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

TonusOH

Genesis 6:2 says that they found the human women beautiful. One may interpret that as they wish, especially in light of a better understanding of sex and genetics. But I think it's a stretch to assume it was anything else, because there isn't anything in the text that we can extrapolate from.

Genesis 6:1-8 reads like a bit of a mash-up of two (or perhaps three) different stories or story threads. God's disillusionment with mankind is one of those threads, the 'sons of God' are a different thread. Taken in isolation, verses 2 and 4 tell a tale of how angels married human women and fathered sons who "were the heroes of old, men of renown." They do not sound like villains, nor does the text imply that they were the cause of God's consternation with mankind. The verses seem to be out of place.

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Nephilim...Only desired females

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

bible questions answered.

who were the nephilim?.

the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

TonusOH

Another important question: is it possible to feel sexually aroused as a spirit being? I mean, they saw these human females and were driven to take on bodies of flesh (and how does THAT happen?) in order to have sex with them. Which spiritual chemicals were coursing through their spirit veins to create a desire so strong that they did something so foolish?

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Beleif in the Bible ?

by smiddy3 in

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friends

thousands of years ago .. genesis chapter 11: 1-9 and how god was affected by what man planned to do ?.

build a tower into the heavens ?

their is no end to what he may acheive having only one language .. today, in the year 2022.. not only are modern skyscrapers taller than anything that could have been built with the tower of babel in bible times ,but what is acheivable today in space far exceeds anything that could have been acheived back then.. and god / jehovah is silent ?.

TonusOH

And if the story is a metaphor or allegory, one has to wonder what God was trying to prevent. Was He really determined to stop humans from banding together and creating a great work that might unite them and teach them that with cooperation and hard work, anything was within their reach? I mean, in a way, God deliberately created the situation that exists today, with different groups of people endlessly at one another's throats. What if he had blessed their efforts instead, and offered them rewards if they would build him an equally grandiose temple?

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Babylon the Great

by Godlyman in

do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.

TonusOH

I'm more interested to know if they are back to bashing the UN, now that they don't have access to their library as an affiliated NGO.

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Nephilim...Only desired females

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

bible questions answered.

who were the nephilim?.

the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

TonusOH

JeffT: I've been out a long time, but when I was in people at the hall talked about all kinds of stories about demons, fallen angels, beautiful women, freak offspring etc.

Same here. And, as often happens with urban legends, many of these stories were told as secondhand (and occasionally even firsthand) tales. I marvel at how many people my mother purported to know who had run-ins with demons and monsters. As with so many such tales, they seemed to become much more rare as recording mediums became more widespread and available.

Good stories, though. They're probably the reason I'm such a big fan of horror.

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Noah's Ark - Kentucky

by BoogerMan in

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regardless of belief/non-belief in the bible account, why is the ark nearly always depicted by both believers & non-believers as a huge boat, with a rounded hull & stern, and a tapered bow?

https://arkencounter.com/ .

the ark was crate shaped according to the measurements.

TonusOH

There is 95 tons of those throughout. How much weight from the reinforced concrete? If only Noah had known!

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Noah's Ark - Kentucky

by BoogerMan in

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friends

regardless of belief/non-belief in the bible account, why is the ark nearly always depicted by both believers & non-believers as a huge boat, with a rounded hull & stern, and a tapered bow?

https://arkencounter.com/ .

the ark was crate shaped according to the measurements.

TonusOH

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_Encounter

While the builders originally planned to hold the ark together with wooden pegs, modern building codes required the builders to use steel fasteners, thus 95 tons of metal plates and bolts were used to connect the wood together.

That is actually scary. An attempt to make the experience seem authentic is one thing, but creating actual safety risks is reckless. Good thing God sent those city inspectors to make sure they followed modern, man-made building codes.

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Nephilim...Only desired females

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

bible questions answered.

who were the nephilim?.

the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

TonusOH

I recall that the WTS used to say that the angels who fathered the nephilim gave up their human bodies when the flood began and returned to spirit form, but were rejected from Heaven for having forsaken their duties and loyalty to God. I recall some brothers who claimed that the moaning sounds that people attributed to ghosts was these angels, raging in frustration at their inability to return to a tangible form.

Lots of good stories when you are raised by superstitious people.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Incorporating is a smart move, especially if a lot of money is coming in. It can provide legal protections as well, depending on the local laws and regulations. In the USA, a corporation is a legal entity that can shield the company owner from personal liability.

I am only surprised to see that he waited so long. He would have known about the benefits of incorporating from the business his father managed, wouldn't he? The tax benefits and liability protections would be very attractive to someone like Evans...

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Would You Like To Be God?

by Ultimate Axiom in

we know there are a few on this forum who think they are, but consider this for a while.

if you are god, you are omniscient, therefore you have nothing to learn.

nothing to research, investigate or explore as there is nothing you don’t already know.

TonusOH

Ultimate Axiom: If you are God, you are omniscient, therefore you have nothing to learn. Nothing to research, investigate or explore as there is nothing you don’t already know.

That sounds like the worst possible fate. I think we're driven by a desire to know more, to experience things, to learn new ideas and see new results and make adjustments and try again. We're motivated by a need to improve, to be better and smarter and prepared for new challenges. Without that, I don't think I'd create anything. If I already know how everything turns out, then there is no need to experience it aside from a sense of malignant sadism.

Oh, goodness. I think I just realized what scares me so much about that concept of god...