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  Early Hominem. Neanderthals. Evolution.

  by solameguy12 in

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  so i grew up as a witness but i’m no longer active, i have some family that still practices very seriously.

  but i don’t want to ask them my question.

  but what does the bible and teaching’s of jw’s say about early hominids?

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  When I realized that I didn't believe in god, I finally allowed myself to see what the 'other side' had to say about issues like evolution. Two things surprised me: how poorly I (who fancied himself a lover of science and biology) understood evolution, and how dishonest apologist institutes and authors had been when they discussed it.

  I know that YouTube channels like AronRa and Gutsick Gibbon have covered a substantial number of deliberate out-of-context quotes and deceptively-edited videos to demonstrate that the claims about scientific malfeasance are made up. I can only imagine how bad the cognitive dissonance would have been if I'd seen these while I still was a believer.

  And I can't help but think that many of the major apologists and apologetic websites must realize that they're not just wrong, but deceiving people. I rejected evolution and embraced creation out of ignorance, because I refused to listen to any counter-information out of fear that it would lead me astray. But these people and sites have to know! They're actually going through the data and information. The out-of-context quotes and video edits are not an innocent mistake. That still leaves me dumbfounded.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  John 8:7? From the person who made his name by criticizing others? lol
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  Nephilim...Only desired females

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  bible questions answered.

  who were the nephilim?.

  the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

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  Genesis 6:2 says that they found the human women beautiful. One may interpret that as they wish, especially in light of a better understanding of sex and genetics. But I think it's a stretch to assume it was anything else, because there isn't anything in the text that we can extrapolate from.

  Genesis 6:1-8 reads like a bit of a mash-up of two (or perhaps three) different stories or story threads. God's disillusionment with mankind is one of those threads, the 'sons of God' are a different thread. Taken in isolation, verses 2 and 4 tell a tale of how angels married human women and fathered sons who "were the heroes of old, men of renown." They do not sound like villains, nor does the text imply that they were the cause of God's consternation with mankind. The verses seem to be out of place.
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  Nephilim...Only desired females

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  bible questions answered.

  who were the nephilim?.

  the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

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  Another important question: is it possible to feel sexually aroused as a spirit being? I mean, they saw these human females and were driven to take on bodies of flesh (and how does THAT happen?) in order to have sex with them. Which spiritual chemicals were coursing through their spirit veins to create a desire so strong that they did something so foolish?
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  Beleif in the Bible ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  2. friends

  thousands of years ago .. genesis chapter 11: 1-9 and how god was affected by what man planned to do ?.

  build a tower into the heavens ?

  their is no end to what he may acheive having only one language .. today, in the year 2022.. not only are modern skyscrapers taller than anything that could have been built with the tower of babel in bible times ,but what is acheivable today in space far exceeds anything that could have been acheived back then.. and god / jehovah is silent ?.

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  And if the story is a metaphor or allegory, one has to wonder what God was trying to prevent. Was He really determined to stop humans from banding together and creating a great work that might unite them and teach them that with cooperation and hard work, anything was within their reach? I mean, in a way, God deliberately created the situation that exists today, with different groups of people endlessly at one another's throats. What if he had blessed their efforts instead, and offered them rewards if they would build him an equally grandiose temple?
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  I'm more interested to know if they are back to bashing the UN, now that they don't have access to their library as an affiliated NGO.
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  Nephilim...Only desired females

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  bible questions answered.

  who were the nephilim?.

  the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

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  JeffT: I've been out a long time, but when I was in people at the hall talked about all kinds of stories about demons, fallen angels, beautiful women, freak offspring etc.

  Same here. And, as often happens with urban legends, many of these stories were told as secondhand (and occasionally even firsthand) tales. I marvel at how many people my mother purported to know who had run-ins with demons and monsters. As with so many such tales, they seemed to become much more rare as recording mediums became more widespread and available.

  Good stories, though. They're probably the reason I'm such a big fan of horror.
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  Noah's Ark - Kentucky

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. friends

  regardless of belief/non-belief in the bible account, why is the ark nearly always depicted by both believers & non-believers as a huge boat, with a rounded hull & stern, and a tapered bow?

  https://arkencounter.com/ .

  the ark was crate shaped according to the measurements.

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  There is 95 tons of those throughout. How much weight from the reinforced concrete? If only Noah had known!
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  Noah's Ark - Kentucky

  by BoogerMan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  regardless of belief/non-belief in the bible account, why is the ark nearly always depicted by both believers & non-believers as a huge boat, with a rounded hull & stern, and a tapered bow?

  https://arkencounter.com/ .

  the ark was crate shaped according to the measurements.

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  From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_Encounter

  While the builders originally planned to hold the ark together with wooden pegs, modern building codes required the builders to use steel fasteners, thus 95 tons of metal plates and bolts were used to connect the wood together.

  That is actually scary. An attempt to make the experience seem authentic is one thing, but creating actual safety risks is reckless. Good thing God sent those city inspectors to make sure they followed modern, man-made building codes.
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  Nephilim...Only desired females

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  bible questions answered.

  who were the nephilim?.

  the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

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  I recall that the WTS used to say that the angels who fathered the nephilim gave up their human bodies when the flood began and returned to spirit form, but were rejected from Heaven for having forsaken their duties and loyalty to God. I recall some brothers who claimed that the moaning sounds that people attributed to ghosts was these angels, raging in frustration at their inability to return to a tangible form.

  Lots of good stories when you are raised by superstitious people.