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  Can I block someone who messages me.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

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  i keep getting this person who wants me to email them with information already freely available on this website.. i have told him that i have no intention of emailing a total stranger from my personal email address, but they keep sending me this demand.. from bola to lostinthefog1999.

  can you tell me how to block this persistent messager?.

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  TonusOH

  Well, this suddenly became interesting...
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  Will 2023 also be the year from Hell for Jehovah's Witnesses? “It’s going to take efforts from all states to fully peel it away.”

  by was a new boy in

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  2023 will be year from hell – martin armstrong.

  https://rumble.com/v1cvw9r-2023-will-be-year-from-hell-martin-armstrong.html.

  co.. 'in the affidavit, one witness said swisher told them to not tell anyone about what he did.

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  One witness, who left the Kingdom Hall,

  I wonder if this is what will finally force some useful -if not sufficient- changes in policy. Did that person leave the KH and move to another, or does "left the Kingdom Hall" refer to disassociating themselves or otherwise leaving the JW religion? The GB can protest until they are blue in the face, but nothing will make the cognitive dissonance go away when people are confronted with a clear problem and they get to witness how the organization fails them and their children.
  
  
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  burning another bridge

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. beliefs

  i feel like i am burning another "friend" bridge.

  i just can't seem to keep the lies the wt prints to myself!

  i don't know how the pimo do it!

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  I long ago made a commitment to offering my friendship and help to anyone who stayed in, so as to make clear that anyone who decides to end our friendship or put the organization before family is the one putting an end to the relationship. When I was a JW, I would have acted as they do. As sad as it makes me to possibly lose valuable friends or family, my conscience is clear- if they ever need me, I am available.
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  Should Jehovah's Witnesses Trust the Governing Body?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if there is evidence that jesus invisibly chose specific men at headquarters in brooklyn new york in 1919 to be his faithful slave and that mandate and ability passed on to future directors...then the answer might just be a resounding maybe.. what is the evidence for this invisible appointment and what is the evidence that this is just watchtower mythology?.

  i hope jws like scholar and fisherman will explain why the trust the gb.. i must be honest, i see no evidence at all to put trust in either the 1919 selection or the current men taking the lead in warwick.

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  TonusOH

  That contrast, between "we are the only reliable conduit between man and god" and "we mess up sometimes, we did not say we were perfect" is the kind of thing that should be emphasized more often. At some point, thinking people will become uncomfortable with the idea that they are demanding unconditional obedience to men whose authority and accuracy is very much conditional.

  They occasionally even admit that when they are wrong, it is not an excuse for people to doubt their position as god's only true mouthpiece! If you were disfellowshipped because you disagreed with the organization, you will not be reinstated if the GB later agrees with your views. According to the WTS, being right is not what matters. Obedience is.
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  slimboyfat: Either everything that exists arose by itself without any external cause, or a being outside of time and space brought the universe into existence. Either option is miraculous, in the sense that it is outside physical cause and effect.

  I agree, which is why I don't take an absolute stance on the issue of the existence of god. For most of my life, I believed that god existed because I'd been told that god existed, and accepted that without question. When I stopped assuming that god existed, I was not able to present a definitive argument for a god. That did not make the alternative option automatically true- I had rejected that kind of thinking already.

  I am left with three options: the universe began when a super-dense dot of mass/energy began to expand, or a being outside of existence created everything, or some third, unknown option. None of these fit with the human concept that everything has an absolute beginning. From that perspective, none of them make sense. Yet, here we are. I don't see why I need to choose one of those to the exclusion of the others. There isn't enough knowledge or understanding on my part to do so.

  The most compelling arguments for the existence of god take the shape of "god has to exist." In other words, a god is necessary for the universe to make sense. The individual arguments all have their flaws, mostly based on our lack of knowledge about the universe. But for me, it must suffice. However, if that is the best argument for a god, it leaves us with no information as to who or what it or they are. I must therefore judge the human concept of god on its merits, and I find those lacking. That doesn't mean there isn't a god, it just means we haven't figured out its nature.

  That being the case, it seems to me that god is not as interested in us as we would like to think. Perhaps god will make itself known in time, perhaps not. Until it does, I will live my life as best I can and not worry too much about it.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  pr0ner, I assumed that he found an online service for his 'date.' However they word it, it sounds like he reserved some times during his stay where he would meet a young lady for, you know... some deeply satisfying conversation.
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  Seems to be a census on vaccine status

  by Indoubtbigtime in

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  the upcoming km school for all elders and servants is going to be in person only with no provision for video conferencing.. only fully vaccinated may attend.

  meaning if you missed your last booster you are no longer fully vaccinated.. every coordinator of body of elders has to ask every single ms and elder if they have kept up with all their boosters and are fully vaccinated or they can’t attend.. this seems to be a census the gb want to know how many are keeping up with booster shots.

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  TonusOH

  I wonder how far they are taking it at the local level- do they demand that individuals must show the vax card to confirm, or are they taking people's word for it? I bet that there are a fair number of congregations where the standards are not so rigorous...
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
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  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  I don't think we have an in-built moral compass. We learn from those around us how we are supposed to behave. I think we have an in-built desire to belong to a social group and to a community, and this influences us towards moral behavior, even for those who chafe at the limits society places on them.

  I think it's also is why people who are misbehaving try to cover up or rationalize their actions. They seek to avoid the condemnation of their community and their social group. After all, if they were concerned about god, they would not misbehave at all-- they cannot hide their actions from god's eyes, according to most religious belief.
  
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  enoughisenough: How does that make you feel to know that you can do whatever you like and never have to be accountable?

  I don't think that this is ever the case, regardless of the existence of a god.

  1. We are social beings and we build relationships with others on a great many levels. There are a lot of things that I could do that would not be illegal or even wrong, yet I would be accountable for them because they might affect my relationships.

  2. We live in societies where there are laws, regulations, and codes and we can be held accountable for the things we do by those societies. Even at a lower level, we deal with rules and regulations in workplaces, neighborhoods, public spaces, etc. We can be held accountable for our behavior in all of those situations.

  I do not think that concepts of right and wrong are a problem for science. If we can reason out right and wrong, we can develop morals and ethics. No gods required.
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  I decided to Start a New Religion Since It's a Fun Way To Control People and Make Lots Of Money.

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the new year is a good time to start things up.

  so please help me decide which one of these two thought systems i should start.

  i was thinking of two different types.

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  new boy: because people are so much smarter these days,

  I think you are vastly overestimating people. Two relatively recent religions are Mormonism and Scientology. Both were started by a single person with wild ideas who may have thought (at first) that no one would be dumb enough to believe them.