My mother is like that, Ding. I think it is a sunk-cost type of reasoning. She is in her 80s and joined in the late 1960s, influenced by the 1975 teaching. I don't think she could bear thinking that her life went nowhere while she patiently waited for an end that would never come. She has to believe, at this point.
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Predict JW life in future
by ExBethelitenowPIMA ina sister said the other day at the ministry group “”what is all this talk that the end is still some way off” she said she has been waiting for decades and she was told there is no way it would take this long.
some others said in an annoyed kind of way yes they would have made different decisions decades ago if they knew the end still would not have come by 2023.. how will the majority react in a few more decades time when the end still hasn’t come?.
why all that talk of sense of urgency decades ago?.
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Predict JW life in future
by ExBethelitenowPIMA ina sister said the other day at the ministry group “”what is all this talk that the end is still some way off” she said she has been waiting for decades and she was told there is no way it would take this long.
some others said in an annoyed kind of way yes they would have made different decisions decades ago if they knew the end still would not have come by 2023.. how will the majority react in a few more decades time when the end still hasn’t come?.
why all that talk of sense of urgency decades ago?.
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I think the message will change a bit over time, in the way that it already has over the past century. Remember that, in the earliest days, the WTS set specific times for the end of the current system of things. 1914/5, 1920, 1925, for example. They learned some lessons and in 1975 tried to mix in some uncertainty, which did not work as well as they had hoped. When they initially eased off the (revised) 1914 teaching, it was by very quietly dropping the "this generation" language in the magazines.
They have held on to the "the end is near, it is very near" talk, and that might be the next thing to change. Already, it will not be long for Lett's "last day of the last days" message to age poorly. At some point, the message will become more like "who knows?" They will continue to point to world events, but I think they will leave it to the rank and file to sort it out themselves, and hope that most decide to stay in.
As more time passes, the old message becomes problematic. It is now almost 50 years since 1975, which means it is more than 50 years since they started the talk about 1975. If you had told any of those witnesses back then "the end will not arrive for another 50 years," how many of them would have sold their homes? Refused to have children? Refused to marry? Refused to prepare for retirement? Any JW who does the math will run into a very rigid wall made of cognitive dissonance.
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Ramapo
by Mit123 inhow much is ramapo going to cost?
my daughter in africa meets in a cow shed for her meetings.
i wonder how many khs in africa they could build if they dropped ramapo?.
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re: Cutting down trees
They apparently got a $1 million grant from the state for submitting an environmentally-friendly site design, with some solar and geothermal power options. New York is pretty strict* when it comes to environmental regulations; I would not be surprised if they will plant some additional trees when all is said and done.
* And by pretty strict, I mean really really strict.
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Ramapo
by Mit123 inhow much is ramapo going to cost?
my daughter in africa meets in a cow shed for her meetings.
i wonder how many khs in africa they could build if they dropped ramapo?.
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It refers to a complex that the WTS is building on a 242-acre site in the town of Ramapo, New York. It's where they are building their 1.5 million square-foot audio/video production center.
As I recall, they are expecting to have it completed sometime in 2025 or 2026.
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Ramapo
by Mit123 inhow much is ramapo going to cost?
my daughter in africa meets in a cow shed for her meetings.
i wonder how many khs in africa they could build if they dropped ramapo?.
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Mit123: It’s pretty obvious the real reason is to increase their real estate portfolio.
This is probably part of it, and I think it's why they sold all of that land in Brooklyn only to buy a bunch more upstate. They want to own land, but did not want to keep paying the exorbitant upkeep. And that makes sense.
But the extravagance they're displaying now is unnecessary. I get the impression that you have a group of old guys with a whole lot of cash and every idea that was pitched to them got a green light. They could build a bunch of sets for filming and a bunch of housing and some utility buildings for a lot less. But hey, any consequences of their decisions now will be borne by the next GB.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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They are both pretty fucked up, if that letter is real.
It would confirm that he's a sociopath, incapable of empathy. And that she is pretty well broken, first by the JW religion, then by her husband. It's tragic.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Thisisme: Now we have a thread that is currently standing at over 900 pages, and will soon reach the 1,000 pages landmark.
Here's an idea for that Lloyd-info webpage: grab a number of relevant posts from this topic to create a much more compact and concise page of info. Like a summary to get people caught up. Even though the early pages here are very useful, no one's going to slog through thousands of comments and they might miss some interesting commentary and discussion.
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How to be Thrown under the JW Bus
by Vanderhoven7 ini think we produced this by group think and bears reiterating.. if you don’t want to be thrown under the bus in jw land, you best not.
1. verbalize disagreement with any official teaching of the society.. 2. celebrate your child’s birthdays.
3. celebrate christ’s birthday on december 25th or any other date.. 4. socialize with others who have already been thrown under the bus.. 5. take up smoking.
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14. Get a tattoo
15. (Conditional) grow a beard
16. (Conditional) grow your hair long
17. (Conditional) wear earrings.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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He forgot to add the segment where he tries to explain how paying for sex at least a dozen times a year for at least three years doesn't fit the definition of "regular."
And the follow-up segment, on how people lie to minimize their bad behavior. :o
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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LMsA: There were several commenters who were puzzled about what Lloyd meant by “defamation”, meaning they hadn’t a clue as to what he’s been up to.
Whenever someone posts here, asking why this thread is still going-- this is why. There is a reason he is being so coy about the specifics of the 'defamation campaign' he keeps mentioning. There are many who follow and support him without knowing what he did and what it says about who he is as a person. He will need to keep begging and cajoling and pressuring people into supporting him. But they will only need to learn the truth about him once, to be convinced that he doesn't deserve their support.
Also, does anyone think that he won't go right back to buying sex on the regular if he feels the attention has dissipated? And if his income goes back to pre-implosion levels? Is that what his supporters want to fund again? Would they be okay if he was using any of their current funds for this activity? Remember, he can't control his penis, and his wife isn't enough to keep him satisfied. His words.