Posts by TonusOH

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I think it's worthwhile (important, even) to sort things out so that we know which items are confirmed and which are not. There are some that I am convinced are legit, but cannot prove (or haven't seen them confirmed). That doesn't mean we bury the stuff that isn't confirmed, just that we mark it in some way. Let people see what is what and make up their own minds. When you go through all of the evidence, I think people will find many of the unconfirmed items believable.

Remember, someone does not have to believe it all 100%. There are likely to be many people who will see all of the evidence, sort it out, and decide that they cannot support him with their money... even if they don't believe the worst stuff. Just knowing that it might be true could be enough to get them to support someone else, instead. I think people are starting to understand that they don't owe him a living, and that other exJWs are able to produce content with little or no monetary support. If the work is that important, he can get it done without tens of thousands of Euro in annual donations.

A note to those potential supporters: don't be drawn in by any arguments outside of that. The plain question is, do you feel comfortable sending him money? Any attempt to distract or deflect from this should be seen as another reason to answer "no."

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New convention video: Do you see what I see?

by neat blue dog in

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TonusOH

I think that the theme of "patience" will get more and more attention, at least for a while. Even if it's the last days of the last days, which would seem to make urgency more important.

Also, that guy appears to be wearing skinny jeans. Is this a coded jab at Anthony Morris?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Another batch, still trying to limit it to relevant items:

Page 30 Post 5: Screencap of an Evans tweet where he confirms that the pictures of him snuggling a woman are legit, and that Dijana shared them with another person. Claims the woman is in her 20s and not a sex worker.

(Relevant, since Evans later claimed to have dated a sex worker in Thailand, which means that these pics would be of a different woman.)

Page 31 Post 8: Photo of excerpt from Evans's book, where he describes how Dijana learned that he was "involved in cybersex with a girl" he met online.

(Now that I think of it, excerpts from his book are also useful. But that would require reading through it, and that it difficult to do in anything other than very small chunks.)

Page 37 Post 5: Text of a 2/9/2022 PDF Evans uploaded to JWWatch regarding Kim's 'attack.' This might be the first mention that he is initiating 'legal action.'

Page 42 Post 9: Screencap of a Facebook post by "Marko Petrovic" accusing Evans of being a pederast. Has anyone confirmed this person's ID? Both Evans and Dijana, as far as I know, disavow any knowledge of him.

Page 46 Post 2: Screencap of a statement by Javier Ortiz regarding Evans and the TTATT documentary.

Page 46 Post 8: Text of a statement by Mark O'Donnell.

Page 51 Post 9: Screencap of statement by Kim Silvio.

Page 65 Post 10: Screencap of an Evans tweet where he states "if you ask for money for a specific reason, you spend it accordingly or you give it back."

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

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this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

TonusOH

I was in that boat. Let me put it this way: I first got on the internet in 1990 or 1991. I've always been a computer geek/hobbyist. I got broadband as soon as it was available... in the projects. I was surfing the web very early on.

I finally decided I was not a JW in 2012. In 2013, I first began to read anti-JW and exJW material online. You might think it was difficult to avoid that stuff over the previous twenty years, but I do not recall having any trouble. The stuff I learned over the next couple of years was staggering. And to be honest, it took a long time after that for me to think "and it was within reach the whole time." It really didn't occur to me to seek it out until I was well and truly mentally free.

That's the grip it can have on you.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Simon: It's why I also think the texts are also legit

I do find both the letter and those old texts to be remarkably like his writing/talking style. Enough that I can't find a convincing explanation that exonerates him. I do still think it's worth it to do what we can to be sure, because it's a fair level of evidence to expect. That approach does give him something to hide behind, since these aren't things he can just claim as a common human weakness or that can be dismissed as no big deal. As it is, he's a horrible enough person that the things he thinks aren't so bad make him look like a real asshole.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

LMsA, here is a quick scan of the early parts of the topic, and some of the posts that I think are a good way to help someone get caught up. I'm just giving the page/post numbers for quick reference. I think it's a good start.

Page 1 Post 3: Newly Enlightened posts a copy of Kim's reddit post, which had been deleted from r/exJW.

Page 3 Post 2: Vanderhoven7 posts Evans's YouTube livestream, where he admits to cheating on his wife and seeing prostitutes regularly for years. The stream was active when the post was made, and the video still works.

Page 4 Post 2: Simon breaks down the livestream to its basics. Covers all relevant points. The video is still there (see above) if anyone needs corroboration.

Page 5 Post 4: Simon posts links to old topics that Evans took part in as Cedars, which shows his attitude and how he doxxed a bunch of exJWs to promote AAWA. An early example of how he destroys good things unapologetically.

Page 11 Post 3: Newly Enlightened posts a video explaining how he treated their daughter, who left the community thanks to Evans. An example of how vindictive and petty he is.

Page 19 Post 6: Looks like a copy of a post Evans made on Facebook, shortly after the livestream blew up in his face. Includes his famous "as a professional activist I get to spend my wages as I please" explanation.

Page 21 Post 9: Newly Enlightened posts an old video explaining how Evans doxxed them.

Page 28 Post 2: Link to a video about the livestream ("The Lloyd Evans Sex Scandal IS our Business").

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Dalai Lama asking boy to suck his tongue after kissing the child on his lips.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the dalai lama has apologised after footage showed him asking a boy if he wanted to suck the tibetan spiritual leader's tongue.. .

his office said he wanted to apologise to the child and his family "for the hurt his words may have caused".. .

the video also shows the dalai lama kissing the child on his lips.. soon after the pope alleged peodo activity .

TonusOH

His apology is also kind of creepy. “His Holiness often teases people he meets in an innocent and playful way, even in public and before cameras[.]"

Errr... it was a little boy! He's an old man! "Suck my tongue" sounds so nasty in that context!

Now we wait for all of the celebrities and famous people who lauded him for so many years to step up and either condemn him or offer up some kind of defense.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

The post was removed, the replies are still there, though. He's got fewer and fewer friends every day, it seems.

I do agree that this needs to be corroborated if it is going to be used to influence anyone. People in that topic are saying the letter was originally posted online by Dijana. Is that true? She did appear to be the source of the photos that Evans had taken with his "date" in Thailand. But without corroboration, it's a lot like those nasty texts purported to be between him and a teenaged girl. Damning, if true, but something that serious needs to be confirmed IMO.

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Predict JW life in future

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a sister said the other day at the ministry group “”what is all this talk that the end is still some way off” she said she has been waiting for decades and she was told there is no way it would take this long.

some others said in an annoyed kind of way yes they would have made different decisions decades ago if they knew the end still would not have come by 2023.. how will the majority react in a few more decades time when the end still hasn’t come?.

why all that talk of sense of urgency decades ago?.

TonusOH

My mother is like that, Ding. I think it is a sunk-cost type of reasoning. She is in her 80s and joined in the late 1960s, influenced by the 1975 teaching. I don't think she could bear thinking that her life went nowhere while she patiently waited for an end that would never come. She has to believe, at this point.

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Predict JW life in future

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a sister said the other day at the ministry group “”what is all this talk that the end is still some way off” she said she has been waiting for decades and she was told there is no way it would take this long.

some others said in an annoyed kind of way yes they would have made different decisions decades ago if they knew the end still would not have come by 2023.. how will the majority react in a few more decades time when the end still hasn’t come?.

why all that talk of sense of urgency decades ago?.

TonusOH

I think the message will change a bit over time, in the way that it already has over the past century. Remember that, in the earliest days, the WTS set specific times for the end of the current system of things. 1914/5, 1920, 1925, for example. They learned some lessons and in 1975 tried to mix in some uncertainty, which did not work as well as they had hoped. When they initially eased off the (revised) 1914 teaching, it was by very quietly dropping the "this generation" language in the magazines.

They have held on to the "the end is near, it is very near" talk, and that might be the next thing to change. Already, it will not be long for Lett's "last day of the last days" message to age poorly. At some point, the message will become more like "who knows?" They will continue to point to world events, but I think they will leave it to the rank and file to sort it out themselves, and hope that most decide to stay in.

As more time passes, the old message becomes problematic. It is now almost 50 years since 1975, which means it is more than 50 years since they started the talk about 1975. If you had told any of those witnesses back then "the end will not arrive for another 50 years," how many of them would have sold their homes? Refused to have children? Refused to marry? Refused to prepare for retirement? Any JW who does the math will run into a very rigid wall made of cognitive dissonance.