There are a number of times where Jesus promoted the idea that doing the right thing was more important than being 'technically correct,' if you will. He once criticized the Pharisees because they worked hard to make sure they followed the law to the letter, but were doing a poor job of shepherding the flock. I think that his interaction with the Samaritan woman was another example of this-- looking past the letter of the law and keeping with the spirit of the law.
TonusOH
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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well
by Sea Breeze ini always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.
this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.
why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.
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armageddon in 2034????? yeh right !
by xbro inis the watchtower predicting the.
end by 2034 through subtle hints?.
the watchtower, december 15, 2003, pages 14 - 19. please be patient while the web page loads page scans of the watchtower article.
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Just around the time I would retire?
Well, that sucks.
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PFIZER DOCUMENTS and the ugly truth about the cover up
by Terry invideo : what’s in the pfizer documents?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9y_w_30hsm&t=51s.
brief summary.
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The GB should be used to that by now.
If Elon Musk hadn't bought Twitter and spilled some of its dark secrets, we wouldn't understand the depth of the problem, in that government had effectively achieved a frightening level of control, one that they have not really relinquished. The ability to present a narrative from multiple agencies made it look like they had better info than they did. But the ability to shout down --and shut down-- dissenting voices is a reminder of just how close it is to achieving enough authority to start the cascade that leads to totalitarianism.
Geez, I have become more paranoid than I ever thought I would...
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I just want to point out that I'm not concerned with what the 'flying monkeys' think. There are people who will never abandon him and will find fault with any criticism while finding excuses for any of his faults. We know that there are people who will always love him and people who will always hate him. The people I think will benefit from a clear presentation of info are the great many who are in between, the ones who have money to donate and are looking for a valid recipient, but who have personal standards that must be met.
We've seen at least one video from one of those people, who was one of his biggest supporters in terms of money. He stopped supporting Evans because he could not do so after seeing the livestream and deciding that the person that Evans admitted to being was someone he could not support with his dollars. That's the person that needs to be reached.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I think it's worthwhile (important, even) to sort things out so that we know which items are confirmed and which are not. There are some that I am convinced are legit, but cannot prove (or haven't seen them confirmed). That doesn't mean we bury the stuff that isn't confirmed, just that we mark it in some way. Let people see what is what and make up their own minds. When you go through all of the evidence, I think people will find many of the unconfirmed items believable.
Remember, someone does not have to believe it all 100%. There are likely to be many people who will see all of the evidence, sort it out, and decide that they cannot support him with their money... even if they don't believe the worst stuff. Just knowing that it might be true could be enough to get them to support someone else, instead. I think people are starting to understand that they don't owe him a living, and that other exJWs are able to produce content with little or no monetary support. If the work is that important, he can get it done without tens of thousands of Euro in annual donations.
A note to those potential supporters: don't be drawn in by any arguments outside of that. The plain question is, do you feel comfortable sending him money? Any attempt to distract or deflect from this should be seen as another reason to answer "no."
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I think that the theme of "patience" will get more and more attention, at least for a while. Even if it's the last days of the last days, which would seem to make urgency more important.
Also, that guy appears to be wearing skinny jeans. Is this a coded jab at Anthony Morris?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Another batch, still trying to limit it to relevant items:
Page 30 Post 5: Screencap of an Evans tweet where he confirms that the pictures of him snuggling a woman are legit, and that Dijana shared them with another person. Claims the woman is in her 20s and not a sex worker.
(Relevant, since Evans later claimed to have dated a sex worker in Thailand, which means that these pics would be of a different woman.)
Page 31 Post 8: Photo of excerpt from Evans's book, where he describes how Dijana learned that he was "involved in cybersex with a girl" he met online.
(Now that I think of it, excerpts from his book are also useful. But that would require reading through it, and that it difficult to do in anything other than very small chunks.)
Page 37 Post 5: Text of a 2/9/2022 PDF Evans uploaded to JWWatch regarding Kim's 'attack.' This might be the first mention that he is initiating 'legal action.'
Page 42 Post 9: Screencap of a Facebook post by "Marko Petrovic" accusing Evans of being a pederast. Has anyone confirmed this person's ID? Both Evans and Dijana, as far as I know, disavow any knowledge of him.
Page 46 Post 2: Screencap of a statement by Javier Ortiz regarding Evans and the TTATT documentary.
Page 46 Post 8: Text of a statement by Mark O'Donnell.
Page 51 Post 9: Screencap of statement by Kim Silvio.
Page 65 Post 10: Screencap of an Evans tweet where he states "if you ask for money for a specific reason, you spend it accordingly or you give it back."
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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TonusOH
I was in that boat. Let me put it this way: I first got on the internet in 1990 or 1991. I've always been a computer geek/hobbyist. I got broadband as soon as it was available... in the projects. I was surfing the web very early on.
I finally decided I was not a JW in 2012. In 2013, I first began to read anti-JW and exJW material online. You might think it was difficult to avoid that stuff over the previous twenty years, but I do not recall having any trouble. The stuff I learned over the next couple of years was staggering. And to be honest, it took a long time after that for me to think "and it was within reach the whole time." It really didn't occur to me to seek it out until I was well and truly mentally free.
That's the grip it can have on you.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Simon: It's why I also think the texts are also legit
I do find both the letter and those old texts to be remarkably like his writing/talking style. Enough that I can't find a convincing explanation that exonerates him. I do still think it's worth it to do what we can to be sure, because it's a fair level of evidence to expect. That approach does give him something to hide behind, since these aren't things he can just claim as a common human weakness or that can be dismissed as no big deal. As it is, he's a horrible enough person that the things he thinks aren't so bad make him look like a real asshole.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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LMsA, here is a quick scan of the early parts of the topic, and some of the posts that I think are a good way to help someone get caught up. I'm just giving the page/post numbers for quick reference. I think it's a good start.
Page 1 Post 3: Newly Enlightened posts a copy of Kim's reddit post, which had been deleted from r/exJW.
Page 3 Post 2: Vanderhoven7 posts Evans's YouTube livestream, where he admits to cheating on his wife and seeing prostitutes regularly for years. The stream was active when the post was made, and the video still works.
Page 4 Post 2: Simon breaks down the livestream to its basics. Covers all relevant points. The video is still there (see above) if anyone needs corroboration.
Page 5 Post 4: Simon posts links to old topics that Evans took part in as Cedars, which shows his attitude and how he doxxed a bunch of exJWs to promote AAWA. An early example of how he destroys good things unapologetically.
Page 11 Post 3: Newly Enlightened posts a video explaining how he treated their daughter, who left the community thanks to Evans. An example of how vindictive and petty he is.
Page 19 Post 6: Looks like a copy of a post Evans made on Facebook, shortly after the livestream blew up in his face. Includes his famous "as a professional activist I get to spend my wages as I please" explanation.
Page 21 Post 9: Newly Enlightened posts an old video explaining how Evans doxxed them.
Page 28 Post 2: Link to a video about the livestream ("The Lloyd Evans Sex Scandal IS our Business").