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  Christmas Decorations at the Kingdom hall

  by Simon in

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  i can't remember if i've told this story before .... but back in the day, in irlam congregation (northwest england, uk, cheshire #1 circuit i think) we used to rent a kingdom hall for many years before we eventually built our own.. preston hall.

  ah, the memories .... it was primarily used as a community hall for old folks, but we had it friday night and sunday morning.. there was a loft and fold-out ladder and we used to store the chairs up their.

  every meeting, there would be an assembly line of all the "lads" to pass the chairs down and set them up, then collect them up and pass them back up at the end of the meeting.

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  Chevelle: In the 70s and 80s, we had our circuit assemblies in a Jewish Synagogue in New York City.

  In Manhattan, right? I went to that one a bunch of times for two-day weekend conventions.

  As for a fancy-looking KH, I missed out. The ones I went to were quite basic in design and decoration. Fully functional and had all of the necessary accommodations and features, but the layout was very simple and the colors were mostly earth-tones and wood paneling. It was drab and lifeless. No wonder meetings seemed so interminable.
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  Taking after Lett... more money going out than coming in. "Things are bad" in Lloyd Land

  by iloowy.goowy in

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  2. entertainment

  lloyd published a video, "things are bad," pretty much along the lines of lett's appeal for more money.. he'll have to let go tbo who does his editing, if he doesn't get more sponsor money.

  he even mentions dijana.

  he claims the defamation has hurt his family.. but he says the defamation suits are still ongoing and will take maybe years since it caused great harm to his channel saying that due to the defamation hundreds of his supporters dropped off because the defamation gave them the impression that he was someone he isn't and that led supporters to think he was misleading them somehow.. you can watch if you can sit through it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5hinrjexm4.

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  Rumor is that the job offer was as centerfielder for the New York Yankees. That's quite an opportunity to turn down. Millions of dollars a year and all of the groupies that you can bang!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  I don't think there would be legal repercussions if he insisted the letter was fake. Aside from defamation being tricky to prove (just ask Evans!), there is also the issue of damages and whether it's worth it to pursue legal action when you stand to gain little or nothing (just ask Evans!). The issue, for him, is that claiming it is fake could blow up in his face, so he will wait and see if it goes away. If not, he might claim it's fake, knowing that it becomes another potential bomb that can go off at any time. His other options are:

  1. Admit it's real and that it isn't anyone's business but his and his wife's. I think that this is true! But also irrelevant. Remember, he's not trying to convince us of anything. He's trying to convince potential (and current) supporters that he deserves their money. Gruffly dismissing them and asking that they mind their own business might mean that they decide to spend their money somewhere else.

  2. Admit it's real and try to justify what he wrote. I can imagine a scenario where he tries this, because he's so certain that he's the smartest man in the room. I hope he does go this route. The entertainment value would be immeasurable. So would the self-inflicted damage.

  Other than that, he can continue to pretend it doesn't exist and try to dismiss it as part of the "defamation campaign" against him. We'll have to see how that works out.
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  Zoom Ministry

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw this post on ex-jw reddit so i thought i'd bring here.

  zoom service, what are your observations/opinions of it?.

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  Bartolomeo: What "TBH" stands for?

  To Be Honest
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Whateveryousay: If not, it's fake and that's it.

  That's... not how it works. Something can be true and not proven. It may not be confirmed or validated, but it can still be true. We can give less weight to a claim that is unproven and we can dismiss a claim that is disproven. But it's reasonable to accept a claim based on the word of someone you trust, for example.

  The unproven accusations in question do not exist in a vacuum. Don't mistake the desire of some of us to be certain with a blanket rejection of specific claims. I acknowledge that some claims are unconfirmed, but it doesn't mean I reject them outright. We are talking about a man who demeans his wife, cheats on her with hookers, lies to cover his actions, all while puffing himself up and trying to put his critics down. Why would I automatically reject claims that he has done other things in this vein?

  So, no... you don't need to explain basic logic to us. You might want to brush up on it, though.
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  The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

  this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

  why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

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  There are a number of times where Jesus promoted the idea that doing the right thing was more important than being 'technically correct,' if you will. He once criticized the Pharisees because they worked hard to make sure they followed the law to the letter, but were doing a poor job of shepherding the flock. I think that his interaction with the Samaritan woman was another example of this-- looking past the letter of the law and keeping with the spirit of the law.
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  armageddon in 2034????? yeh right !

  by xbro in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is the watchtower predicting the.

  end by 2034 through subtle hints?.

  the watchtower, december 15, 2003, pages 14 - 19. please be patient while the web page loads page scans of the watchtower article.

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  Just around the time I would retire?

  Well, that sucks.
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  PFIZER DOCUMENTS and the ugly truth about the cover up

  by Terry in

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  video : what’s in the pfizer documents?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9y_w_30hsm&t=51s.

  brief summary.

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  The GB should be used to that by now.

  If Elon Musk hadn't bought Twitter and spilled some of its dark secrets, we wouldn't understand the depth of the problem, in that government had effectively achieved a frightening level of control, one that they have not really relinquished. The ability to present a narrative from multiple agencies made it look like they had better info than they did. But the ability to shout down --and shut down-- dissenting voices is a reminder of just how close it is to achieving enough authority to start the cascade that leads to totalitarianism.

  Geez, I have become more paranoid than I ever thought I would...
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I just want to point out that I'm not concerned with what the 'flying monkeys' think. There are people who will never abandon him and will find fault with any criticism while finding excuses for any of his faults. We know that there are people who will always love him and people who will always hate him. The people I think will benefit from a clear presentation of info are the great many who are in between, the ones who have money to donate and are looking for a valid recipient, but who have personal standards that must be met.

  We've seen at least one video from one of those people, who was one of his biggest supporters in terms of money. He stopped supporting Evans because he could not do so after seeing the livestream and deciding that the person that Evans admitted to being was someone he could not support with his dollars. That's the person that needs to be reached.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  I think it's worthwhile (important, even) to sort things out so that we know which items are confirmed and which are not. There are some that I am convinced are legit, but cannot prove (or haven't seen them confirmed). That doesn't mean we bury the stuff that isn't confirmed, just that we mark it in some way. Let people see what is what and make up their own minds. When you go through all of the evidence, I think people will find many of the unconfirmed items believable.

  Remember, someone does not have to believe it all 100%. There are likely to be many people who will see all of the evidence, sort it out, and decide that they cannot support him with their money... even if they don't believe the worst stuff. Just knowing that it might be true could be enough to get them to support someone else, instead. I think people are starting to understand that they don't owe him a living, and that other exJWs are able to produce content with little or no monetary support. If the work is that important, he can get it done without tens of thousands of Euro in annual donations.

  A note to those potential supporters: don't be drawn in by any arguments outside of that. The plain question is, do you feel comfortable sending him money? Any attempt to distract or deflect from this should be seen as another reason to answer "no."